Guess their rank: Strength analysis experiment.

[Stable]

When do we find out?!?!

[Solomon]

Solch, can you tell us about the time controls on these games? Are they variable? Comparable? Different? Same?

Well I don't know the exact time settings for the pro game, but it's not a blitz televised game. The rest are something like 30 minutes main time, 30 seconds byoyomi x 3.

[daniel_the_smith]

I sucked at this last time, let's see if I got any better...

1) 14k
2) 1d
3) 7k
4) pro or high dan
5) pro or high dan

I can't tell which is higher level, 4 or 5.

[daniel_the_smith]

Kind of like uber-magicwands on speed.

hahahaha

[explo]

game 1: 7k
game 2: 5d
game 3: 14k
game 4: pro
game 5: 1d

If I remember correctly, I did quite well the first time but I'm still unsure of my answers. I stopped looking during the middlegame in each game.

Edit: After checking everyone's answers it seems game 5 is 5d or pro. I went over it twice and the play certainly looks strong but they are moves I really cannot understand
-43: Isn't black sente anytime? I don't see what it achieves.
-91: It doesn't make sense to me.
-95: Both black and white are completly settled, so it is better than a move at the bottom?
-100: I don't understand the timing at all.
- The endgame doesn't look so impressive, for example 219 could only be to gain time, 264 was worth 1 point in gote, t15 in the same area was worth more.

[Shaddy]

14k, then 5d, then 7k, then pro, then 1d

[Gresil]

1. 14k
2. pro
3. 1 dan
4. 5 dan
5. 7 kyu


Deciding between #2 and #4 was the difficult bit here. #2 had more tenuki in the first 100 moves, so I guess that's the pro game. Granted, I didn't look at any of the games much beyond 100 moves.


Edit: I looked at everyone's replies. What the hell? In game 5 moves 11 and 16 look like half-nonsense, black has to make bad shape at move 25, and I feel I can follow the game easily... I can't easily accept that this is the pro game.

[Jonas]

Sol plz plz give us the answer, cant wait any longer ^_^

[daniel_the_smith]

1. 14k
2. pro
3. 1 dan
4. 5 dan
5. 7 kyu


Deciding between #2 and #4 was the difficult bit here. #2 had more tenuki in the first 100 moves, so I guess that's the pro game. Granted, I didn't look at any of the games much beyond 100 moves.


Edit: I looked at everyone's replies. What the hell? In game 5 moves 11 and 16 look like half-nonsense, black has to make bad shape at move 25, and I feel I can follow the game easily... I can't easily accept that this is the pro game.

16 is the 3rd most popular choice from pros according to my database; 11 is the most popular choice.

[wossname]

game 1 - 14k
game 2 - 1d
game 3 - talented 7k
game 4 - 5d
game 5 - pro

the big margin of victory on game 5 almost throws me off and makes me unsure of the choice of 4 & 5, but my gut feeling of the play tells me 5 is a higher quality game than 4.

can't wait to see if i've embarrassed myself

[Magicwand]

Magicwand:

I didn't really feel the sharpness in their reading. I think it's conceivable that they're 5d, but a move like 195 was definitely a signal to me that these two can't be pro.

i took little more time ...and you are correct.
#5 is better than #2.

now i am off work...
i look at it again..
#5 can not be professional some moves dont make sense.
#4 is definitly not it
but #2 look more solid.

[Dusk Eagle]

Game #1 is clearly 14k, and Game 3 is 7k. I have no doubts about that.

Game #2 - Maybe I'm wrong, but moves like 18 and the quadruple kosumi hardly seem like the kind of moves pros play, so I don't think that game could possibly be pro.

Game #4 had a very impressive sequence in the top right, and the opening is something I have only seen in professional games.

Game #5 was also very impressive though, and the opening felt good (Gresil - both those moves you mentioned are joseki - you should learn them sometime ), so this game could also be professional.

So, that leaves game #2 being the 1d game.
I'm not sure at all between games 4 and 5, but until I read other's comments my intuition told me game four was pro, and game 5 5d, so I'll stick with that. Though, I do see topazg's point that a pro would likely avoid being squeezed like black was in the top left corner of game four.

[MountainGo]

Without looking at anyone else's answers:
1 - 14k
2 - pro
3 - 7k
4 - 1d
5 - 5d

[Jedo]

Oh dear, I hope I'm not too far off.

1=7k

2=1d

3=14k

4=5d

5=pro

time to look at everyone elses comments...

I have to say though, telling between a 1d 5d and pro is pretty tough when all of them are at least several stones stronger than me. When people are playing moves above your level, it's hard to understand them.

[kirkmc]

So when do we get answers?