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by EdLee Fri Mar 11, 2011 7:10 pm
$$Wm38
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One question is whether
is sente. For example, even with
,
B can start to make eye shape quite quickly (which was one meaning of
):
$$W
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$WIn the game, B is not clearly alive yet, but it is also not clear to me
whether W can completely kill B. If I stubbornly try to kill but fail,
in the process I will have removed all bad aji for B, and may even lose sente to play
.
So let's leave B alone for now and tenuki.
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by Aphelion Fri Mar 11, 2011 9:20 pm
Ed:
Perhaps 1 isn't sente to kill... it is still pretty big to get sealed in like this and I don't think B should allow it. Also, are you sure its not reverse sente? If B gets one then the aji those two marked stones looks really annoying for White. Also, it starts to feel Black is gaining enough strength to start something around 'a' later. I would rather take gote even to fix that:
$$Wm38 Hypothetically.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wm38 Hypothetically.What do you think?
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by EdLee Fri Mar 11, 2011 9:58 pm
Aphelion:
Yes, of course I wanted
also, but I could not have both.
And no, I'm not sure about a great many things. This will be an interesting point to review afterwards.
$$W
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No problem with
. If
tenuki, W already can profit locally with
, and W still has (a) later:
$$W
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by topazg Sat Mar 12, 2011 2:01 am
$$Wm38
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Well, that doesn't influence the group fight, and I think I'm mostly alive as it is. I'm also unsure how easily White can get sente from this sequence. I'm quite glad White chose this point to approach, I felt the high approach from the top would be more awkward somehow:
$$Wm38
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wm38Reminds me of a couple of positions in Yilun Yang's, but maybe White's not thick enough in the top left to play this way.
Either way, if he takes the 3-3, I get sente. I'm also happy to fix the possible invasion here a bit:
$$Wm38
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by topazg Sat Mar 12, 2011 2:14 am
Rejected moves:
$$Wm38
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wm38Why I can't save those stones yet:
$$Wm38 I'm not crawling instead, either!
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wm38 I'm not crawling instead, either!$$Wm38 This side doesn't work either
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wm38 This side doesn't work either$$Wm38 This may be promising with an extra liberty
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wm38 This may be promising with an extra liberty
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by EdLee Sun Mar 13, 2011 6:27 pm
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by EdLee Mon Mar 14, 2011 12:28 am
$$Wm40
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Difficult problem for me.
$$W (1) W gote
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$W (1) W gote$$W (2) Wrong direction for B?
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$W (2) Wrong direction for B?$$W (3) W gote
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$W (3) W gote$$W (4) Wrong direction for B?
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$W (4) Wrong direction for B?$$W (5)
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$W (5)$$W (6) W gote?
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$W (6) W gote?$$Wm38 (7)
tenuki
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$$. . . X . . . |
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wm38 (7) It's beyond my level to decide what to do after
,
so I'm treating
as a probe and chose (7).
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by topazg Mon Mar 14, 2011 2:39 am
$$Wm40
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Making an eye. Probably will play as follows:
$$Wm40
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by EdLee Mon Mar 14, 2011 2:45 am
$$Wm42
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I'm guessing both of us have been expecting
for a long time.
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by topazg Mon Mar 14, 2011 3:32 am
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by Loons Mon Mar 14, 2011 5:23 pm
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by EdLee Mon Mar 14, 2011 6:07 pm
$$Wm44
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Variation: seems good for B?
$$W
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by topazg Tue Mar 15, 2011 1:11 am
$$Wm44
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Yeah, I'm desperate to play up there, but so's he I expect, so we'll see who gets it first:
$$Wm44
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wm44I'm expecting something like this. I sort of want to kick first, but I don't think he'll respond to it, I think he'll switch directions, so I'll just try to claim points. Either way the cutting aji at "a" is increasing, and the usefulness of his thickness is decreasing.
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by EdLee Tue Mar 15, 2011 1:42 am
$$Wm46
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I was lucky and got both
and
.
$$W
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by topazg Tue Mar 15, 2011 2:22 am
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is sente. For example, even with 
,
):
.
also, but I could not have both. 
tenuki
,
for a long time.
and 
. 