I have a hard time against this sort of style, which seems to be endemic in Japanese players on KGS, which are apparently the only ones awake at midnight PST. When I say "this style", I characterize it as building a large moyo on one side of the board followed by aggressive invasions and a cavalier disregard for groups that are in danger, winning or losing by sabaki and reading skill. It plays to my weaknesses, as I'm not great at sabaki and "side joseki" so I generally shy away from invasions and when the opponent invades I usually try to invite them to live small on the side and secure the rest of the moyo as territory.
I ended up winning only because my opponent entirely flubbed a ko in the end game and had to resign.
Anyway, comments are appreciated. For the record, I didn't know any of the josekis that white tried to initiate.
4k vs. 3k
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Only 1 note for B move 11.
(;CA[utf-8]FF[4]ST[2]RU[Japanese]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]AP[CGoban:3]SZ[19]GM[1]DT[2011-03-16]
PC[KGS]PB[Numsgil]BR[4k]PW[Serenotm]WR[3k]KM[0.5]TM[1500]RE[B+Resign]MULTIGOGM[0]
;B[pd]BL[1492.02];W[dp]WL[1479.14];B[pp]BL[1489.06];W[dc]WL[1475.92];B[de]BL[1485.86]
;W[cg]WL[1471.75];B[cc]BL[1479.41];W[cd]WL[1469.15];B[dd]BL[1469.05];W[ce]WL[1467.05]
(;B[ec]BL[1448.58]C[See var.];W[db]WL[1461.81];B[bc]BL[1442.57];W[eb]WL[1452.23]
;B[fc]BL[1427.82];W[df]WL[1419.42];B[fb]BL[1408.51];W[dm]WL[1403.25];B[jp]BL[1400.08]
;W[pn]WL[1399.94];B[pj]BL[1392.8];W[np]WL[1396.75];B[oo]BL[1391.36];W[qq]WL[1394.83]
;B[pq]BL[1382.35];W[qp]WL[1392.82];B[qr]BL[1380.83];W[rr]WL[1390.17];B[pr]BL[1376.43]
;W[po]WL[1387.8];B[op]BL[1375.3];W[on]WL[1385.69];B[no]BL[1374.17];W[ql]WL[1381.78]
;B[qf]BL[1334.49];W[pb]WL[1378.45];B[oc]BL[1323.23];W[ob]WL[1375.61];B[nb]BL[1314.23]
;W[nc]WL[1371.59];B[mc]BL[1311.89];W[nd]WL[1368.55];B[mb]BL[1303.31];W[qd]WL[1365.46]
;B[pe]BL[1298.32];W[re]WL[1362.84];B[rf]BL[1293.79];W[rc]WL[1356.95];B[le]BL[1279.24]
;W[nf]WL[1353.31];B[oh]BL[1272.39];W[md]WL[1346.19];B[ld]BL[1270.3];W[mg]WL[1337.81]
;B[kg]BL[1260.19];W[mi]WL[1333.97];B[nk]BL[1257.44];W[rj]WL[1331.15];B[qh]BL[1237.4]
;W[ig]WL[1305.42];B[ie]BL[1231.78];W[he]WL[1302.33];B[hd]BL[1227.43];W[id]WL[1294.16]
;B[je]BL[1220.29];W[ed]WL[1291.55];B[ee]BL[1172.63];W[gd]WL[1287.88];B[hc]BL[1161.62]
;W[fd]WL[1284.43];B[ff]BL[1154.74];W[gf]WL[1281];B[fg]BL[1148.81];W[if]WL[1268.5]
;B[jc]BL[1139.21];W[gc]WL[1250.14];B[gb]BL[1130.43];W[hb]WL[1247.61];B[ic]BL[1116.13]
;W[fa]WL[1245.17];B[ge]BL[1113.44];W[ga]WL[1241.83];B[hf]BL[1111.3];W[di]WL[1239.2]
;B[fq]BL[1101.45];W[fe]WL[1237.57];B[gg]BL[1091.97];W[ef]WL[1234.65];B[gj]BL[1089.46]
;W[mm]WL[1230.4];B[lk]BL[1083.03];W[mo]WL[1225.82];B[nn]BL[1079];W[nm]WL[1221.91]
;B[mn]BL[1069.79];W[ln]WL[1220.74];B[mp]BL[1067.7];W[lo]WL[1215.93];B[lp]BL[1063]
;W[nq]WL[1214.59];B[mr]BL[1051.55];W[nr]WL[1206.55];B[mq]BL[1035.26];W[os]WL[1187.45]
;B[ps]BL[1017.52];W[rs]WL[1173.12];B[or]BL[980.298];W[dr]WL[1156.68];B[lm]BL[962.647]
;W[ll]WL[1147.18];B[km]BL[956.717];W[mk]WL[1146.15];B[mj]BL[953.393];W[ml]WL[1144.6]
;B[lj]BL[947.967];W[kl]WL[1135.54];B[jm]BL[940.712];W[nj]WL[1129.85];B[ni]BL[938.524]
;W[ki]WL[1124.74];B[li]BL[928.177];W[lh]WL[1121.29];B[mh]BL[922.066];W[lg]WL[1102.07]
;B[kh]BL[908.326];W[kf]WL[1099.84];B[ji]BL[894.954];W[kj]WL[1097.76];B[kk]BL[892.222]
;W[jj]WL[1083.97];B[jk]BL[882.314];W[ij]WL[1080.69];B[jl]BL[880.421];W[jh]WL[1077.62]
;B[om]BL[878.614];W[hp]WL[1039.45];B[hq]BL[873.895];W[iq]WL[1034.48];B[ip]BL[865.081]
;W[gq]WL[1029.58];B[hr]BL[863.29];W[gr]WL[1024.31];B[ho]BL[856.455];W[gp]WL[1022.26]
;B[ir]BL[854.245];W[go]WL[1018.65];B[dk]BL[850.677];W[ej]WL[1015.52];B[ek]BL[848.411]
;W[fk]WL[1014.4];B[fj]BL[846.879];W[fl]WL[1010.39];B[cm]BL[843.985];W[cl]WL[978.839]
;B[dl]BL[837.826];W[ck]WL[976.293];B[cj]BL[834.536];W[dj]WL[972.781];B[dh]BL[827.249]
;W[ch]WL[967.181];B[ei]BL[822.424];W[el]WL[963.244];B[jf]BL[804.555];W[jg]WL[960.034]
;B[lf]BL[799.522];W[kg]WL[957.786];B[ne]BL[792.61];W[ng]WL[952.089];B[oe]BL[769.772]
;W[pc]WL[948.885];B[me]BL[762.265];W[ri]WL[946.679];B[qk]BL[759.441];W[rk]WL[944.431]
;B[pl]BL[751.576];W[pm]WL[939.967];B[nl]BL[746.006];W[rm]WL[937.056];B[cq]BL[738.213]
;W[dq]WL[933.192];B[bo]BL[733.685];W[br]WL[929.744];B[es]BL[654.04];W[gs]WL[893.98]
;B[cr]BL[646.214];W[cs]WL[889.045];B[bs]BL[643.499];W[ds]WL[879.653];B[ar]BL[622.386]
;W[bq]WL[876.255];B[cp]BL[620.844];W[bp]WL[873.323];B[co]BL[619.483];W[as]WL[871.515]
;B[ii]BL[584.685];W[hi]WL[865.504];B[bs]BL[581.327];W[jr]WL[859.693];B[ap]BL[566.438]
;W[as]WL[852.405];B[hj]BL[562.643];W[jq]WL[833.071];B[bs]BL[559.655];W[qs]WL[829.274]
;B[aq]BL[543.883];W[oq]WL[826.765];B[ns]BL[540.311];W[bm]WL[821.889];B[hh]BL[525.682]
;W[ih]WL[815.517];B[ii]BL[523.865];W[gi]WL[813.182];B[fi]BL[509.495];W[ik]WL[811.52]
;B[hk]BL[493.765];W[il]WL[799];B[hl]BL[479.94];W[im]WL[789.097];B[hm]BL[477.929]
;W[in]WL[787.956];B[hn]BL[474.161];W[io]WL[784.609];B[kp]BL[461.746];W[ji]WL[781.545]
;B[gh]BL[454.742];W[ib]WL[767.42];B[jb]BL[450.673])
(;B[cf]TR[cd][ce]SQ[cc][dd][de][cf]C[Joseki. My mnemonic for this vital point is B hane at both heads of the 2 W stones.]))
PC[KGS]PB[Numsgil]BR[4k]PW[Serenotm]WR[3k]KM[0.5]TM[1500]RE[B+Resign]MULTIGOGM[0]
;B[pd]BL[1492.02];W[dp]WL[1479.14];B[pp]BL[1489.06];W[dc]WL[1475.92];B[de]BL[1485.86]
;W[cg]WL[1471.75];B[cc]BL[1479.41];W[cd]WL[1469.15];B[dd]BL[1469.05];W[ce]WL[1467.05]
(;B[ec]BL[1448.58]C[See var.];W[db]WL[1461.81];B[bc]BL[1442.57];W[eb]WL[1452.23]
;B[fc]BL[1427.82];W[df]WL[1419.42];B[fb]BL[1408.51];W[dm]WL[1403.25];B[jp]BL[1400.08]
;W[pn]WL[1399.94];B[pj]BL[1392.8];W[np]WL[1396.75];B[oo]BL[1391.36];W[qq]WL[1394.83]
;B[pq]BL[1382.35];W[qp]WL[1392.82];B[qr]BL[1380.83];W[rr]WL[1390.17];B[pr]BL[1376.43]
;W[po]WL[1387.8];B[op]BL[1375.3];W[on]WL[1385.69];B[no]BL[1374.17];W[ql]WL[1381.78]
;B[qf]BL[1334.49];W[pb]WL[1378.45];B[oc]BL[1323.23];W[ob]WL[1375.61];B[nb]BL[1314.23]
;W[nc]WL[1371.59];B[mc]BL[1311.89];W[nd]WL[1368.55];B[mb]BL[1303.31];W[qd]WL[1365.46]
;B[pe]BL[1298.32];W[re]WL[1362.84];B[rf]BL[1293.79];W[rc]WL[1356.95];B[le]BL[1279.24]
;W[nf]WL[1353.31];B[oh]BL[1272.39];W[md]WL[1346.19];B[ld]BL[1270.3];W[mg]WL[1337.81]
;B[kg]BL[1260.19];W[mi]WL[1333.97];B[nk]BL[1257.44];W[rj]WL[1331.15];B[qh]BL[1237.4]
;W[ig]WL[1305.42];B[ie]BL[1231.78];W[he]WL[1302.33];B[hd]BL[1227.43];W[id]WL[1294.16]
;B[je]BL[1220.29];W[ed]WL[1291.55];B[ee]BL[1172.63];W[gd]WL[1287.88];B[hc]BL[1161.62]
;W[fd]WL[1284.43];B[ff]BL[1154.74];W[gf]WL[1281];B[fg]BL[1148.81];W[if]WL[1268.5]
;B[jc]BL[1139.21];W[gc]WL[1250.14];B[gb]BL[1130.43];W[hb]WL[1247.61];B[ic]BL[1116.13]
;W[fa]WL[1245.17];B[ge]BL[1113.44];W[ga]WL[1241.83];B[hf]BL[1111.3];W[di]WL[1239.2]
;B[fq]BL[1101.45];W[fe]WL[1237.57];B[gg]BL[1091.97];W[ef]WL[1234.65];B[gj]BL[1089.46]
;W[mm]WL[1230.4];B[lk]BL[1083.03];W[mo]WL[1225.82];B[nn]BL[1079];W[nm]WL[1221.91]
;B[mn]BL[1069.79];W[ln]WL[1220.74];B[mp]BL[1067.7];W[lo]WL[1215.93];B[lp]BL[1063]
;W[nq]WL[1214.59];B[mr]BL[1051.55];W[nr]WL[1206.55];B[mq]BL[1035.26];W[os]WL[1187.45]
;B[ps]BL[1017.52];W[rs]WL[1173.12];B[or]BL[980.298];W[dr]WL[1156.68];B[lm]BL[962.647]
;W[ll]WL[1147.18];B[km]BL[956.717];W[mk]WL[1146.15];B[mj]BL[953.393];W[ml]WL[1144.6]
;B[lj]BL[947.967];W[kl]WL[1135.54];B[jm]BL[940.712];W[nj]WL[1129.85];B[ni]BL[938.524]
;W[ki]WL[1124.74];B[li]BL[928.177];W[lh]WL[1121.29];B[mh]BL[922.066];W[lg]WL[1102.07]
;B[kh]BL[908.326];W[kf]WL[1099.84];B[ji]BL[894.954];W[kj]WL[1097.76];B[kk]BL[892.222]
;W[jj]WL[1083.97];B[jk]BL[882.314];W[ij]WL[1080.69];B[jl]BL[880.421];W[jh]WL[1077.62]
;B[om]BL[878.614];W[hp]WL[1039.45];B[hq]BL[873.895];W[iq]WL[1034.48];B[ip]BL[865.081]
;W[gq]WL[1029.58];B[hr]BL[863.29];W[gr]WL[1024.31];B[ho]BL[856.455];W[gp]WL[1022.26]
;B[ir]BL[854.245];W[go]WL[1018.65];B[dk]BL[850.677];W[ej]WL[1015.52];B[ek]BL[848.411]
;W[fk]WL[1014.4];B[fj]BL[846.879];W[fl]WL[1010.39];B[cm]BL[843.985];W[cl]WL[978.839]
;B[dl]BL[837.826];W[ck]WL[976.293];B[cj]BL[834.536];W[dj]WL[972.781];B[dh]BL[827.249]
;W[ch]WL[967.181];B[ei]BL[822.424];W[el]WL[963.244];B[jf]BL[804.555];W[jg]WL[960.034]
;B[lf]BL[799.522];W[kg]WL[957.786];B[ne]BL[792.61];W[ng]WL[952.089];B[oe]BL[769.772]
;W[pc]WL[948.885];B[me]BL[762.265];W[ri]WL[946.679];B[qk]BL[759.441];W[rk]WL[944.431]
;B[pl]BL[751.576];W[pm]WL[939.967];B[nl]BL[746.006];W[rm]WL[937.056];B[cq]BL[738.213]
;W[dq]WL[933.192];B[bo]BL[733.685];W[br]WL[929.744];B[es]BL[654.04];W[gs]WL[893.98]
;B[cr]BL[646.214];W[cs]WL[889.045];B[bs]BL[643.499];W[ds]WL[879.653];B[ar]BL[622.386]
;W[bq]WL[876.255];B[cp]BL[620.844];W[bp]WL[873.323];B[co]BL[619.483];W[as]WL[871.515]
;B[ii]BL[584.685];W[hi]WL[865.504];B[bs]BL[581.327];W[jr]WL[859.693];B[ap]BL[566.438]
;W[as]WL[852.405];B[hj]BL[562.643];W[jq]WL[833.071];B[bs]BL[559.655];W[qs]WL[829.274]
;B[aq]BL[543.883];W[oq]WL[826.765];B[ns]BL[540.311];W[bm]WL[821.889];B[hh]BL[525.682]
;W[ih]WL[815.517];B[ii]BL[523.865];W[gi]WL[813.182];B[fi]BL[509.495];W[ik]WL[811.52]
;B[hk]BL[493.765];W[il]WL[799];B[hl]BL[479.94];W[im]WL[789.097];B[hm]BL[477.929]
;W[in]WL[787.956];B[hn]BL[474.161];W[io]WL[784.609];B[kp]BL[461.746];W[ji]WL[781.545]
;B[gh]BL[454.742];W[ib]WL[767.42];B[jb]BL[450.673])
(;B[cf]TR[cd][ce]SQ[cc][dd][de][cf]C[Joseki. My mnemonic for this vital point is B hane at both heads of the 2 W stones.]))
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Re: 4k vs. 3k
(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[0.50]TM[1500]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]PW[Serenotm]PB[Numsgil]WR[3k]BR[4k]DT[2011-03-16]PC[The KGS Go Server at <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.gokgs.com/">http://www.gokgs.com/</a><!-- m -->]C[Numsgil [4k]: hiSerenotm [3k]: hi]RE[B+Resign];B[pd]BL[1492.024];W[dp]WL[1479.139];B[pp]BL[1489.06];W[dc]WL[1475.919]
(;B[de]BL[1485.857]C[Variation. I got the idea from Bill Spight, he mentioned it somewhere in one of the Violence vs. Magicwand games. Anyway, if you don't want to be pincered/don't know pincer joseki well, you may think about one of those.];W[cg]WL[1471.753];B[cc]BL[1479.408];W[cd]WL[1469.148];B[dd]BL[1469.051];W[ce]WL[1467.048]
(;B[ec]BL[1448.581];W[db]WL[1461.813];B[bc]BL[1442.566];W[eb]WL[1452.227];B[fc]BL[1427.817]
(;W[df]WL[1419.423]C[Variation for white.];B[fb]BL[1408.507];W[dm]WL[1403.254];B[jp]BL[1400.077];W[pn]WL[1399.939]
(;B[pj]BL[1392.803]C[Not so good. Just o3 or o4 is good enough. (generally, you don't want to pincer a one-space high approach to star point, double approach is too good).];W[np]WL[1396.748]
(;B[oo]BL[1391.355]C[Variation. Letting white take the corner is too large in this case.];W[qq]WL[1394.826];B[pq]BL[1382.35];W[qp]WL[1392.82];B[qr]BL[1380.833]C[Kind of worthless. (and gote!)];W[rr]WL[1390.169];B[pr]BL[1376.43];W[po]WL[1387.798];B[op]BL[1375.295];W[on]WL[1385.69];B[no]BL[1374.165];W[ql]WL[1381.779]C[Black's kinda painful, esp. since white can poke at h3 later. (and that large territory he's got]
(;B[qf]BL[1334.495]C[??];W[pb]WL[1378.449];B[oc]BL[1323.232];W[ob]WL[1375.606];B[nb]BL[1314.228];W[nc]WL[1371.593];B[mc]BL[1311.892];W[nd]WL[1368.553];B[mb]BL[1303.306];W[qd]WL[1365.457];B[pe]BL[1298.32];W[re]WL[1362.836];B[rf]BL[1293.786];W[rc]WL[1356.953];B[le]BL[1279.245];W[nf]WL[1353.31];B[oh]BL[1272.385];W[md]WL[1346.194];B[ld]BL[1270.299];W[mg]WL[1337.806];B[kg]BL[1260.188];W[mi]WL[1333.973];B[nk]BL[1257.442];W[rj]WL[1331.15]C[Can white cut? Then p12 was a bit loose. If he can't, then r12 is wrong.];B[qh]BL[1237.402]C[So inefficient];W[ig]WL[1305.423]
(;B[ie]BL[1231.784]C[Timid.];W[he]WL[1302.334];B[hd]BL[1227.425];W[id]WL[1294.164];B[je]BL[1220.29];W[ed]WL[1291.546]
(;B[ee]BL[1172.63];W[gd]WL[1287.879];B[hc]BL[1161.622];W[fd]WL[1284.431];B[ff]BL[1154.741];W[gf]WL[1280.999];B[fg]BL[1148.807];W[if]WL[1268.501]
(;B[jc]BL[1139.213]C[What is this? Just block g17, it's sente.];W[gc]WL[1250.135];B[gb]BL[1130.426];W[hb]WL[1247.609];B[ic]BL[1116.128];W[fa]WL[1245.172];B[ge]BL[1113.439];W[ga]WL[1241.828];B[hf]BL[1111.304];W[di]WL[1239.202];B[fq]BL[1101.455];W[fe]WL[1237.57];B[gg]BL[1091.969];W[ef]WL[1234.654];B[gj]BL[1089.456]C[Not bad- looking at a large scale attack. I would play f10, though. It looks at the invasion more closely.];W[mm]WL[1230.398];B[lk]BL[1083.03];W[mo]WL[1225.824];B[nn]BL[1078.997];W[nm]WL[1221.911];B[mn]BL[1069.787];W[ln]WL[1220.745]
(;B[mp]BL[1067.702]C[variation];W[lo]WL[1215.925];B[lp]BL[1063.004];W[nq]WL[1214.591];B[mr]BL[1051.546];W[nr]WL[1206.552];B[mq]BL[1035.262];W[os]WL[1187.451];B[ps]BL[1017.522];W[rs]WL[1173.119];B[or]BL[980.298];W[dr]WL[1156.679];B[lm]BL[962.647]C[Bit greedy. These stones are not worth that much, I would play around k9 or maybe d9 instead.];W[ll]WL[1147.177];B[km]BL[956.717];W[mk]WL[1146.146];B[mj]BL[953.393];W[ml]WL[1144.604];B[lj]BL[947.967];W[kl]WL[1135.535];B[jm]BL[940.712];W[nj]WL[1129.852];B[ni]BL[938.524];W[ki]WL[1124.74];B[li]BL[928.177];W[lh]WL[1121.289];B[mh]BL[922.066];W[lg]WL[1102.071];B[kh]BL[908.326];W[kf]WL[1099.84];B[ji]BL[894.954];W[kj]WL[1097.755]
(;B[kk]BL[892.222]C[Perhaps it's better just to hold on to the prize.];W[jj]WL[1083.967];B[jk]BL[882.314];W[ij]WL[1080.691];B[jl]BL[880.421];W[jh]WL[1077.616];B[om]BL[878.614];W[hp]WL[1039.453]
(;B[hq]BL[873.895]C[You're too far behind to play moves like this. F5 and fight.];W[iq]WL[1034.477];B[ip]BL[865.081];W[gq]WL[1029.579];B[hr]BL[863.29];W[gr]WL[1024.305]C[G4...?]
(;B[ho]BL[856.455];W[gp]WL[1022.26];B[ir]BL[854.245];W[go]WL[1018.653];B[dk]BL[850.677];W[ej]WL[1015.524];B[ek]BL[848.411];W[fk]WL[1014.403];B[fj]BL[846.879];W[fl]WL[1010.385];B[cm]BL[843.985];W[cl]WL[978.839];B[dl]BL[837.826]C[You need to read more.];W[ck]WL[976.293];B[cj]BL[834.536];W[dj]WL[972.781];B[dh]BL[827.249];W[ch]WL[967.181];B[ei]BL[822.424];W[el]WL[963.244];B[jf]BL[804.555];W[jg]WL[960.034];B[lf]BL[799.522];W[kg]WL[957.786];B[ne]BL[792.61];W[ng]WL[952.089];B[oe]BL[769.772];W[pc]WL[948.885];B[me]BL[762.265];W[ri]WL[946.679];B[qk]BL[759.441];W[rk]WL[944.431];B[pl]BL[751.576];W[pm]WL[939.967];B[nl]BL[746.006];W[rm]WL[937.056];B[cq]BL[738.213];W[dq]WL[933.192];B[bo]BL[733.685];W[br]WL[929.744];B[es]BL[654.04];W[gs]WL[893.98];B[cr]BL[646.214];W[cs]WL[889.045];B[bs]BL[643.499];W[ds]WL[879.653];B[ar]BL[622.386];W[bq]WL[876.255];B[cp]BL[620.844];W[bp]WL[873.323];B[co]BL[619.483];W[as]WL[871.515];B[ii]BL[584.685];W[hi]WL[865.504];B[bs]BL[581.327];W[jr]WL[859.693];B[ap]BL[566.438];W[as]WL[852.405];B[hj]BL[562.643];W[jq]WL[833.071];B[bs]BL[559.655]C[This is possibly the most ridiculous ko I've ever seen.];W[qs]WL[829.274];B[aq]BL[543.883];W[oq]WL[826.765];B[ns]BL[540.311];W[bm]WL[821.889];B[hh]BL[525.682];W[ih]WL[815.517];B[ii]BL[523.865];W[gi]WL[813.182];B[fi]BL[509.495];W[ik]WL[811.52];B[hk]BL[493.765];W[il]WL[799];B[hl]BL[479.94];W[im]WL[789.097];B[hm]BL[477.929];W[in]WL[787.956];B[hn]BL[474.161];W[io]WL[784.609];B[kp]BL[461.746];W[ji]WL[781.545];B[gh]BL[454.742];W[ib]WL[767.42];B[jb]BL[450.673]C[Numsgil [4k]: gg])
(;B[gp];W[ho]
;B[fr]C[??]))
(;B[fo]))
(;B[jh]))
(;B[lo]C[This is better.]))
(;B[gc];W[ge]))
(;B[ge]C[I'll trade ya..]))
(;B[lh];W[mh]
;B[lj]C[ATTACK.]))
(;B[jd]C[You can block around r10 later.]))
(;B[qq]
;W[nn]C[Joseki]))
(;B[np];W[qp];B[qq];W[qo];B[rq];W[qk];B[fq]))
(;W[bb];B[cb];W[ca]
;B[fb]C[How it should have gone.]))
(;B[cf]C[As Ed mentioned, this is joseki, and there are variations here]
(;W[bf];B[ec]
(;W[db];B[df];W[bd];B[dg]
;W[ch]C[B may play e18 now or save the aji. (If there is a white stone around h17 or something like that, black's attachment at g17 is sente in two directions.)])
(;W[df]
;B[db]C[Slightly good for black, he has the corner. But it's playable for both.]))
(;W[df];B[bf];W[bc];B[cb]
(;W[be]
;B[ec]C[The order of moves is important. If black plays e14 before e17, w may omit b13. *
*(I don't understand this either, but this is how it has always been taught to me.)];W[bg];B[ef];W[dg])
(;W[bd]C[W may also make this shape, which makes black's b18 smaller for endgame purposes. (really, it doesn't matter much, b18 is almost guaranteed to be white's sente later.];B[ec];W[bg];B[ef];W[dg]))))
(;B[df])
(;B[cf]))
(;B[de]BL[1485.857]C[Variation. I got the idea from Bill Spight, he mentioned it somewhere in one of the Violence vs. Magicwand games. Anyway, if you don't want to be pincered/don't know pincer joseki well, you may think about one of those.];W[cg]WL[1471.753];B[cc]BL[1479.408];W[cd]WL[1469.148];B[dd]BL[1469.051];W[ce]WL[1467.048]
(;B[ec]BL[1448.581];W[db]WL[1461.813];B[bc]BL[1442.566];W[eb]WL[1452.227];B[fc]BL[1427.817]
(;W[df]WL[1419.423]C[Variation for white.];B[fb]BL[1408.507];W[dm]WL[1403.254];B[jp]BL[1400.077];W[pn]WL[1399.939]
(;B[pj]BL[1392.803]C[Not so good. Just o3 or o4 is good enough. (generally, you don't want to pincer a one-space high approach to star point, double approach is too good).];W[np]WL[1396.748]
(;B[oo]BL[1391.355]C[Variation. Letting white take the corner is too large in this case.];W[qq]WL[1394.826];B[pq]BL[1382.35];W[qp]WL[1392.82];B[qr]BL[1380.833]C[Kind of worthless. (and gote!)];W[rr]WL[1390.169];B[pr]BL[1376.43];W[po]WL[1387.798];B[op]BL[1375.295];W[on]WL[1385.69];B[no]BL[1374.165];W[ql]WL[1381.779]C[Black's kinda painful, esp. since white can poke at h3 later. (and that large territory he's got]
(;B[qf]BL[1334.495]C[??];W[pb]WL[1378.449];B[oc]BL[1323.232];W[ob]WL[1375.606];B[nb]BL[1314.228];W[nc]WL[1371.593];B[mc]BL[1311.892];W[nd]WL[1368.553];B[mb]BL[1303.306];W[qd]WL[1365.457];B[pe]BL[1298.32];W[re]WL[1362.836];B[rf]BL[1293.786];W[rc]WL[1356.953];B[le]BL[1279.245];W[nf]WL[1353.31];B[oh]BL[1272.385];W[md]WL[1346.194];B[ld]BL[1270.299];W[mg]WL[1337.806];B[kg]BL[1260.188];W[mi]WL[1333.973];B[nk]BL[1257.442];W[rj]WL[1331.15]C[Can white cut? Then p12 was a bit loose. If he can't, then r12 is wrong.];B[qh]BL[1237.402]C[So inefficient];W[ig]WL[1305.423]
(;B[ie]BL[1231.784]C[Timid.];W[he]WL[1302.334];B[hd]BL[1227.425];W[id]WL[1294.164];B[je]BL[1220.29];W[ed]WL[1291.546]
(;B[ee]BL[1172.63];W[gd]WL[1287.879];B[hc]BL[1161.622];W[fd]WL[1284.431];B[ff]BL[1154.741];W[gf]WL[1280.999];B[fg]BL[1148.807];W[if]WL[1268.501]
(;B[jc]BL[1139.213]C[What is this? Just block g17, it's sente.];W[gc]WL[1250.135];B[gb]BL[1130.426];W[hb]WL[1247.609];B[ic]BL[1116.128];W[fa]WL[1245.172];B[ge]BL[1113.439];W[ga]WL[1241.828];B[hf]BL[1111.304];W[di]WL[1239.202];B[fq]BL[1101.455];W[fe]WL[1237.57];B[gg]BL[1091.969];W[ef]WL[1234.654];B[gj]BL[1089.456]C[Not bad- looking at a large scale attack. I would play f10, though. It looks at the invasion more closely.];W[mm]WL[1230.398];B[lk]BL[1083.03];W[mo]WL[1225.824];B[nn]BL[1078.997];W[nm]WL[1221.911];B[mn]BL[1069.787];W[ln]WL[1220.745]
(;B[mp]BL[1067.702]C[variation];W[lo]WL[1215.925];B[lp]BL[1063.004];W[nq]WL[1214.591];B[mr]BL[1051.546];W[nr]WL[1206.552];B[mq]BL[1035.262];W[os]WL[1187.451];B[ps]BL[1017.522];W[rs]WL[1173.119];B[or]BL[980.298];W[dr]WL[1156.679];B[lm]BL[962.647]C[Bit greedy. These stones are not worth that much, I would play around k9 or maybe d9 instead.];W[ll]WL[1147.177];B[km]BL[956.717];W[mk]WL[1146.146];B[mj]BL[953.393];W[ml]WL[1144.604];B[lj]BL[947.967];W[kl]WL[1135.535];B[jm]BL[940.712];W[nj]WL[1129.852];B[ni]BL[938.524];W[ki]WL[1124.74];B[li]BL[928.177];W[lh]WL[1121.289];B[mh]BL[922.066];W[lg]WL[1102.071];B[kh]BL[908.326];W[kf]WL[1099.84];B[ji]BL[894.954];W[kj]WL[1097.755]
(;B[kk]BL[892.222]C[Perhaps it's better just to hold on to the prize.];W[jj]WL[1083.967];B[jk]BL[882.314];W[ij]WL[1080.691];B[jl]BL[880.421];W[jh]WL[1077.616];B[om]BL[878.614];W[hp]WL[1039.453]
(;B[hq]BL[873.895]C[You're too far behind to play moves like this. F5 and fight.];W[iq]WL[1034.477];B[ip]BL[865.081];W[gq]WL[1029.579];B[hr]BL[863.29];W[gr]WL[1024.305]C[G4...?]
(;B[ho]BL[856.455];W[gp]WL[1022.26];B[ir]BL[854.245];W[go]WL[1018.653];B[dk]BL[850.677];W[ej]WL[1015.524];B[ek]BL[848.411];W[fk]WL[1014.403];B[fj]BL[846.879];W[fl]WL[1010.385];B[cm]BL[843.985];W[cl]WL[978.839];B[dl]BL[837.826]C[You need to read more.];W[ck]WL[976.293];B[cj]BL[834.536];W[dj]WL[972.781];B[dh]BL[827.249];W[ch]WL[967.181];B[ei]BL[822.424];W[el]WL[963.244];B[jf]BL[804.555];W[jg]WL[960.034];B[lf]BL[799.522];W[kg]WL[957.786];B[ne]BL[792.61];W[ng]WL[952.089];B[oe]BL[769.772];W[pc]WL[948.885];B[me]BL[762.265];W[ri]WL[946.679];B[qk]BL[759.441];W[rk]WL[944.431];B[pl]BL[751.576];W[pm]WL[939.967];B[nl]BL[746.006];W[rm]WL[937.056];B[cq]BL[738.213];W[dq]WL[933.192];B[bo]BL[733.685];W[br]WL[929.744];B[es]BL[654.04];W[gs]WL[893.98];B[cr]BL[646.214];W[cs]WL[889.045];B[bs]BL[643.499];W[ds]WL[879.653];B[ar]BL[622.386];W[bq]WL[876.255];B[cp]BL[620.844];W[bp]WL[873.323];B[co]BL[619.483];W[as]WL[871.515];B[ii]BL[584.685];W[hi]WL[865.504];B[bs]BL[581.327];W[jr]WL[859.693];B[ap]BL[566.438];W[as]WL[852.405];B[hj]BL[562.643];W[jq]WL[833.071];B[bs]BL[559.655]C[This is possibly the most ridiculous ko I've ever seen.];W[qs]WL[829.274];B[aq]BL[543.883];W[oq]WL[826.765];B[ns]BL[540.311];W[bm]WL[821.889];B[hh]BL[525.682];W[ih]WL[815.517];B[ii]BL[523.865];W[gi]WL[813.182];B[fi]BL[509.495];W[ik]WL[811.52];B[hk]BL[493.765];W[il]WL[799];B[hl]BL[479.94];W[im]WL[789.097];B[hm]BL[477.929];W[in]WL[787.956];B[hn]BL[474.161];W[io]WL[784.609];B[kp]BL[461.746];W[ji]WL[781.545];B[gh]BL[454.742];W[ib]WL[767.42];B[jb]BL[450.673]C[Numsgil [4k]: gg])
(;B[gp];W[ho]
;B[fr]C[??]))
(;B[fo]))
(;B[jh]))
(;B[lo]C[This is better.]))
(;B[gc];W[ge]))
(;B[ge]C[I'll trade ya..]))
(;B[lh];W[mh]
;B[lj]C[ATTACK.]))
(;B[jd]C[You can block around r10 later.]))
(;B[qq]
;W[nn]C[Joseki]))
(;B[np];W[qp];B[qq];W[qo];B[rq];W[qk];B[fq]))
(;W[bb];B[cb];W[ca]
;B[fb]C[How it should have gone.]))
(;B[cf]C[As Ed mentioned, this is joseki, and there are variations here]
(;W[bf];B[ec]
(;W[db];B[df];W[bd];B[dg]
;W[ch]C[B may play e18 now or save the aji. (If there is a white stone around h17 or something like that, black's attachment at g17 is sente in two directions.)])
(;W[df]
;B[db]C[Slightly good for black, he has the corner. But it's playable for both.]))
(;W[df];B[bf];W[bc];B[cb]
(;W[be]
;B[ec]C[The order of moves is important. If black plays e14 before e17, w may omit b13. *
*(I don't understand this either, but this is how it has always been taught to me.)];W[bg];B[ef];W[dg])
(;W[bd]C[W may also make this shape, which makes black's b18 smaller for endgame purposes. (really, it doesn't matter much, b18 is almost guaranteed to be white's sente later.];B[ec];W[bg];B[ef];W[dg]))))
(;B[df])
(;B[cf]))
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