106. kirby vs topazg

Marcus · Post by **Marcus** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 8:50 am

hman wrote:
Kirby wrote:People say that emotions are not a part of go, but…

As a humble long-year beginner I've always read that as emotions should not be a part of go, learn to play with brain ONLY not heart: play the board not the player, don't be greedy, don't throw good stones after bad (because you are still emotionally attached to them) and so on.

Confirmation (or not) by experienced players welcome.

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 8:52 am

Black can't play 37 to connect like this:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm31 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 1 2 . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . 3 O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . 0 . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 5 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 7 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . 8 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . O X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . X . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

But a more prudent 37 still looks good for white.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm31 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . a 9 0 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 1 2 . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . 3 O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . 7 . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 5 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 8 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . b . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . O X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . X . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

In a continuation like this:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 1 X O 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O 3 4 . . . . O . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . X O 5 6 . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X . @ 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . O X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . X . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

...34 is stong enough that white does not need to protect the cut directly.

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 8:59 am

@Joaz

mw42 · Post by **mw42** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 9:02 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm31 B(a), W(b), B(c) $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 1 2 . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . 3 O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . 0 b 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 5 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 7 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . 8 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . a X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . c . d . . X X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . O X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . f . O X . . . . X . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . e . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Perhaps this variation is something that is attractive to topazg. He lives on the side in sente then he could move to white's bottom left corner. I'm not sure I see the gold he does there, but he seems anxious to play there.

The aji at ["d"->"f"] is all very big indeed. White's not thick down there. I'll save 'em for when I don't have to look after my group.

hman · Post by **hman** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 9:07 am

Marcus wrote:
hman wrote:
Kirby wrote:People say that emotions are not a part of go, but…

As a humble long-year beginner I've always read that as emotions should not be a part of go, learn to play with brain ONLY not heart: play the board not the player, don't be greedy, don't throw good stones after bad (because you are still emotionally attached to them) and so on.

Confirmation (or not) by experienced players welcome.

I'm not sure it's that simple. In my opinion, emotions should be a part of Go ... but like in everything else they need to be a tool for you to use, not a driving force behind every play.

Magicwand seems to play with a good balance of emotion coupled with excellent reading skills. He often trusts his feelings about positions to guide him in the right direction. It's a skill I would like to further develop myself.

That being said, he can still out-read his opponent handily when he needs to.

I think the skill behind using your emotions to guide (but not control) your play is developed with a large amount of experience. Go (again, in my opinion) is not about suppressing your emotions in order to play the most technically correct moves ... at least, not for an amateur player. There is an element of controlling and understanding your emotional state.

Just an opinion from a not-so-strong amateur. Stronger players will have their own opinions, I'm sure.

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 9:12 am

mw42 wrote:
... I'm not sure I see the gold he does there...

mw42 · Post by **mw42** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 9:14 am

hman wrote:If I read this correctly you are saying (and I agree) you must use what I'd call your intuition, which is not exactly what I'd call emotions... at least in may native languages. Since English is kinda tricky for this stuff maybe the specific flavor of emotion vs. intuition isn't the same?

Intuition concerns knowledge of a situation whereas emotion concerns your state of being.

EDIT: Removed hide tags. I think it's okay if the players read this. ;-)

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 9:19 am

mw42 wrote:
hman wrote:If I read this correctly you are saying (and I agree) you must use what I'd call your intuition, which is not exactly what I'd call emotions... at least in may native languages. Since English is kinda tricky for this stuff maybe the specific flavor of emotion vs. intuition isn't the same?

Intuition concerns knowledge of a situation whereas emotion concerns your state of being.

EDIT: Removed hide tags. I think it's okay if the players read this.

Thanks. Less curiosity is always better.

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 9:19 am

topazg wrote:...
I've been going forwards and backwards between the shoulder hit and the invasion for a few minutes.

@Topazg:

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 9:49 am

Joaz Banbeck wrote:
topazg wrote:...
I've been going forwards and backwards between the shoulder hit and the invasion for a few minutes.

@Topazg:
Shoulder hit? You mean at J16? If so, why did you reject it?

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 9:53 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm31 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 1 2 . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . 3 O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . O X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . X . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Hmmm, I may lose sente here, but I may not, there's some danger for White now:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm31 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 1 2 . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . 3 O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 5 7 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 6 O 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . O X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . X . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Of course, it's a tight line, but I think Black wins liberty races here. If White picks a sente option, I get connection aji for later:

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Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 9:58 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm31 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . O X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . X . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 10:12 am

@ kirby

i love your sig.
if you learn that then you will be 5 dan strong.

remember that you will find that when they expose their weakness.
and you will lose that when you expose yours.

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 10:13 am

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Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 10:23 am

To obs:

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