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Re: Teamovich 2

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Hmm. I hope this game hasn't died a death :sad:
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Re: Teamovich 2

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$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . 1 , . . . |
$$ | . . d . . . . . . . . . . . e O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W . . . . . . . . . . . . c . . . |
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Wrote long explanation. Lost it and cannot be bothered to retype. Candidate moves a-e in order I like them nomination numbered.
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Re: Teamovich 2

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bump :!:
While I was teaching the game to a friend of mine, my mother from the other room:
"Cutting? Killing? Poking out eyes? What the hell are you playing?"
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Re: Teamovich 2

Post by lesenv »

Well, if we are going to play in the upper right, i'd choose Sinks nomination.
But I don't know if it's right. White can play in the upper right, it seems slow to me, though. If he chooses to enclose the corner, we can still approach from the top (around M-N16-17).

My nomination:

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[go]$$Bcm13 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 1 . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It seems like whereever he puts a stone, our reply will work with some of our stones.

edit: hid it all ;)
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Re: Teamovich 2

Post by SinK »

BIC:
lesenv wrote:My nomination:

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[go]$$Bcm13 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 1 . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It seems like whereever he puts a stone, our reply will work with some of our stones.


The more I look at this the more I prefer it to my move.
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Re: Teamovich 2

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Team:
What's the plan after this?

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[go]$$Bcm13 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
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$$ | . . . 3 . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: Teamovich 2

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Redundant, Black Team:
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[go]$$Wcm13 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 2 . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I'd play this. it works with our new 4-4 stone. sadly it gives up our c12-stone, but it's not completely dead either.
i like the looks of it.
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Re: Teamovich 2

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BIC:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm13 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O a b . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 7 B 1 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 3 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 4 . 8 . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I think sacrificing the stone is definitely right but I would do it with the moves at 14 and 16 because it wins us the point lesenv suggested while forcing white to respond. 17-2 seems like a reasonable continuation then but it does end giving white sente and leaving us vulnerable to a monkey jump in the endgame. There are a couple of variations which are lot less settled but I definitely think the first two moves set up our best response and I don't think sacrifice as much territory as ignoring the massive moves still to be made would.
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Re: Teamovich 2

Post by lesenv »

BIC:
yeah, what SinK said ;)
the result looks very good to me. they get the monkey jump, but we get some kind of walls facing south and east (center, tengen). let's do it.
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Re: Teamovich 2

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I'm still trying to get a hold of threeve. He hasn't been on in a long time though. What does everyone think we should do?
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Re: Teamovich 2

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I think we should always wait for a week, if someone doesn't show up. we did wait, so let's go on.
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Re: Teamovich 2

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lesenv wrote:I think we should always wait for a week, if someone doesn't show up. we did wait, so let's go on.


+1 though I think if there's nothing much going on for three days that's plenty to be waiting.
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Re: Teamovich 2

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So we probably want to invite someone around 8k to counterbalance me. Maybe we can ask Jordus or Simba. Don't really know any other 8k's heavily involved in Malkovich games :sad:
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Re: Teamovich 2

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I don't think we should write threeve off but it would be good to keep this thing going.
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Re: Teamovich 2

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I think a temporary replacement might be a good idea. Having three on the team helps bring out good ideas, I think.
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