Malkovich 104 - Joaz vs Chew Terr

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 12:58 pm

Chew Terr,

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 1:01 pm

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Website · Post by **Chew Terr** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 1:13 pm

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Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 1:46 pm

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Violence · Post by **Violence** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 2:02 pm

Chew(After the game):

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 2:14 pm

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Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 2:42 pm

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 9:13 pm

Kirby wrote:
I want black to attack the three, thin white stones on the right. They look weak enough to die.

@Kirby

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Tue Apr 12, 2011 4:47 am

Magicwand wrote:
Kirby wrote:
I want black to attack the three, thin white stones on the right. They look weak enough to die.

@Kirby
that is where i disagree with you.
to my eye that group is very light and not easily attacked.
attack is good only if you have good attacking sequence.
i dont see that here.

@Magicwand

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Tue Apr 12, 2011 6:19 am

Kirby wrote:
Magicwand wrote:
Kirby wrote:
I want black to attack the three, thin white stones on the right. They look weak enough to die.

@Kirby
that is where i disagree with you.
to my eye that group is very light and not easily attacked.
attack is good only if you have good attacking sequence.
i dont see that here.

@Magicwand
I trust your judgement. In fact, I have not determined a "good attacking sequence". But it is my instinct to try to attack since the stones seem weak. Maybe this is my problem (not always try to seek the result of an idea). The stones feel weak to me, so I would probably try to attack them in a game...

Writing things out like this make me wonder about your earlier comment that, the game of go is complex, so you do not always try to figure out how the opponent will play. At least it seems to me that you sometimes play on instinct... How do you contrast this idea with the idea of not attacking without having a good attacking sequence?

@Kirby

since you somewhat understand korean, you should be able to see "Mac" (which means vital point) at first glance.
that will help you read if the group is in danger or not.

if white plays at "a" then it is pretty much alive.

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if black plays 1 then white will hanne giving white flexablility

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below is not much of an attack

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then attacking vital point is below. but since white is light... attack really dont work.

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i did that reading in few second because i know my vital points.
weaker players will consider many many variations that are useless because they dont have sense of vital points.
variation should be a series of vital points. then there are limited variations you should consider.

only way to improve your reading is practicing L&D IMO.
they will give you sense of what is vital points.

Website · Post by **Chew Terr** » Tue Apr 12, 2011 7:48 am

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Violence: Thanks, I'm sure the contents of that block will be helpful, after.

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Tue Apr 12, 2011 7:52 am

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Website · Post by **Chew Terr** » Tue Apr 12, 2011 7:58 am

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That's one capture each, right? Sorry, don't have time to check backwards right now.

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Tue Apr 12, 2011 4:45 pm

@Magicwand

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Tue Apr 12, 2011 9:44 pm

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Yes, I agree, one capture each.

Trigger for Chew:

Comments for everyone else:

Until recently, this game was going badly. He came out way better on the left then I expected. In the last several moves he seems to be striving for certainty by playing very conservatively when he should have been playing aggressively to exploit my weak right side group. The result is that my upper right is safe and my right side can only be attacked if he is willing to create an eyeless group in the center.

That eyeless group looks like this:

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This can lead to some fighting where I think I can outplay him. If he doesn't fight like this, my upper side can get real big.
For the first time since he played F7 I am feeling that I may have a decent chance of winning this.

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