Malkovich 104 - Joaz vs Chew Terr

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My sealed move:

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$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . . 4 5 X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . 8 . 6 O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . . |
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$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
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No idea why Joaz suggested chew play at "a", it's a horrible move :-?

White can't block directly:

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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . O . O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . , . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . . 2 3 X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . 4 O 7 9 . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . 5 6 8 0 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
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$$ -------------------------------------[/go]


EDIT: FWIW, I think Joaz is right about having clawed a lot back here. I think Chew has become way too passive, and made a real blunder with :b48:

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[go]$$Wcm41
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . b . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . , . . . . O X O a . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . X c 8 X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------------------[/go]


I think "a" is the only move here, leaving "b" and "c" as a sort of miai. Either White still ends with a weak group, or Black gets to treat the single stone lightly and collect points in sente:

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[go]$$Bcm48
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . O 4 O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . , . . . . O X C 1 . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . 5 . . . X 2 . X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------------------[/go]


This looks fine for Black to me, although I still think White's profited a fair bit globally since starting his invasion.
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[go]$$Wcm51
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . O . O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . , . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . 6 X O X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
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$$ -------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm51
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . a O . O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . , . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . a . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . 6 X O X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . a O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------------------[/go]

Ha! I'm all done running and living. My big group is safe as houses, now. I'm aiming at all points 'a'. The lesson here is, when your opponent yells 'BLOODBATH!', don't cower. Just gain stability, then ask him whose. =D

I had originally considered the atari directly, but that seems to remove a bit of aji from the peep at P18. At the moment, I have a weak group being chased by another weak group, so we'll see what happens.

I'm in a much better mood this morning, and much more happy with my go. This is the fight I've chosen, and I'm eager to see it out.

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[go]$$Wcm51
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . O . O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . , . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . X X O X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . O 7 . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ -------------------------------------[/go]

A little elbow room in sente ( S14 kills if he tenukis. )

Next, I want to get 'a' if I can, but I think that then 'b' by him kills me, or at best leaves him with an outside wall and no weak groups, while I would be struggling to live small in gote. So I probably have to take 'b' myself.`
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[go]$$Wcm51
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . O . O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . , . a a . O X . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . X X O X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . b b O 7 . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . b b . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ -------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Wcm51
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . O . O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . , . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . X X O X 8 . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . 9 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
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$$ -------------------------------------[/go]


To observers:
He will probably live in the middle easily enough by pressing me low. I'll pursue him by extending my right side group into the middle. As it gets stronger, then his lower right corner becomes a potential target.

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[go]$$Wc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O O O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O X X X O . O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . , . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . X . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . X X . X X O X X . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . O O . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . 1 . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------------------[/go]


If I'm strong enough in the middle, I can poke at it from below, and make territory at the bottom.
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[go]$$Wcm51
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . 0 O . O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . , . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . X X O X 8 . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . 9 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------------------[/go]

Sorry, crazy few days at work.

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . 1 . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . B O . O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . , 3 . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . 2 4 . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . X X O X X . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . a . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------------------[/go]


This 60 doesn't fully work immediately, but it doesn't burn a ton of aji, either. It might be a ko threat lost, but in the meantime, it's a forcing move that buys some small aid for my group.
Perhaps I should be intimdated that my opponent has a lot of stones nearby, but it still feels loose enough that I should be able to escape without incurring too much trouble. This is especially true because his right-side group doesn't quite look safe yet, so its options are limited. I can lean on it if I need to, and I can take 'a' to kick the hornet's nest anytime I want. I may actually take it before long, to keep him unstable in sente, and then run past his group for a touchdown.
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[go]$$Wcm61
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . 1 . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . X O . O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . , . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . X X O X X . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . . . . O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------------------[/go]

Forced. If I ignore, he encircles me in sente. If I hane above, he ataris two stones, I protect, then the ladder works for him.
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My sealed move:

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . 4 1 5 . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . 6 X O 3 O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . , . . . 2 O X . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . X X O X X . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------------------[/go]


Cutting doesn't work...

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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . 7 4 1 8 . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . 5 X O 3 O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . , . . 6 2 O X . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . X X O X X . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: Malkovich 104 - Joaz vs Chew Terr

Post by Violence »

uhh... Topazg... *subtle pointing*

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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . 0 . 4 1 7 . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O 8 5 X O 3 O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . , . 9 6 2 O X . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . X X O X X . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------------------[/go]


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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . 4 . X 2 X O O . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . 3 1 O X X O X . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . X X O X X . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . 5 . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------------------[/go]


Not... uh... looking so good here...
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Re: Malkovich 104 - Joaz vs Chew Terr

Post by Kirby »

topazg wrote:
My sealed move:

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . 4 1 5 . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . 6 X O 3 O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . , . . . 2 O X . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . X X O X X . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------------------[/go]


Cutting doesn't work...

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[go]$$Wcm61
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . 7 4 1 8 . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . 5 X O 3 O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . , . . 6 2 O X . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . X X O X X . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------------------[/go]


White could protect at 67 in the second diagram, couldn't he? Still, I think that I like your 62, considering Chew didn't put it in his diagram.


Edit: Ninja'd by a violent ninja.
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Re: Malkovich 104 - Joaz vs Chew Terr

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@Violence:

D'oh. Maybe :b64: at :w65: in your diagram then - although the atari exchange feels a bit aji-keshi (I'm never sure though, as I see White making the empty triangle to prevent that sort of thing in pro games, so I'm never sure if it should get played or not when shape is so important). Because of the following descent, I assume Black can get the stretch in sente and then play for better shape.

I suck at reading at the moment :-?


EDIT:

Is this good enough for Black right now? How attackable is this thing. I mean, White's just lost all his top side point potential, so he needs a good attack against some group somewhere.

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . 7 5 1 . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . 9 O 6 4 X O 3 O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . 8 . . . 2 O X . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . 0 . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . X X O X X . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: Malkovich 104 - Joaz vs Chew Terr

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[go]$$Wcm61
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . X O . O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . , . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . 2 . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . X X O X X . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm61
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . 1 2 8 6 O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . 7 X O 5 O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . , . . 3 4 O X . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . X X O X X . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------------------[/go]

An option for later: I can either sacrifice my last probey move for the two stones in the corner, or I can play at 67 here to keep white from making anything much at the top middle. For the moment though, speed and stability. I'll play lightly until I can afford to choose from these. White can resist differently than this diagram, but I still get something for it, like sealing W into the corner and building a wall leftward.
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Re: Malkovich 104 - Joaz vs Chew Terr

Post by Joaz Banbeck »

To observers:
I thought that 'a' was the automatic play for black. So I may take it myself. Also 'b' looks like fun, but it can get into some knife-edge play really fast. Or maybe I should take 'c', which looks like the vital point of the whole formation.
And if I step back a bit and look at the whole board, 'd' starts feeling like the right move.

Must go think for a while...

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[go]$$Wcm61
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . a X O . O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . , . . b . O X . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . X . c . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . X X O X X . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . d . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: Malkovich 104 - Joaz vs Chew Terr

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I respect ya'all too much to share my thoughts on this while tipsy. Let's just say, rum and doctor pepper worked until the rum ran out. Time for vodka. Yet I'm talking ABOUT being tipsy. This monologue is becoming awfully meta-...
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Re: Malkovich 104 - Joaz vs Chew Terr

Post by Joaz Banbeck »

( Dang! When Topazg like something that my opponent posts, it usually means that it a line that is bad for me. )

I've evaluated one of the moves:

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . X O . O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . , . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . X . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . X X O X X . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . @ . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------------------[/go]

It aims at the center of his formation, and it helps the right side group run out.
And if he plays the natural extension, then W3 is lethal with two cutting points.

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . 2 X O . O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . , C . C . O X . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . X . 3 . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . X X O X X . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . 1 . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------------------[/go]

But the problem is that even if I surround him, I have a weakness of a double keima, which he can exploit like this:

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . X O O . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . X X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . , O . X X O X . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . X . O . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . X X O X X . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . O 2 5 4 O O . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . 1 O 3 . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------------------[/go]

...which continues like this:

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . X O O . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . X X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . , O . X X O X . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . X . O . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . X X O X X . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . O O X O O O . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . X O X . a . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . 4 O 1 2 . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . 3 5 , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------------------[/go]


Now 'a' is a threat to kill, so I have to play 2 as shown, rather than at 5. And now my right side group is cut off, and has at best 5 liberties, and probably loses the liberties race.

Worst yet, he can simply reply with 2 like this:

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . 3 X O . O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . , 5 . 4 . O X . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . X 6 2 . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . X X O X X . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . 1 . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------------------[/go]


And however it turns out, he is sure to have more liberties.

So, a move that is supposed to connect my right side group, but does not, is no good. But let's try a slight adjustment one space southward:

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . X O . O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . , . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . X . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . X X O X X . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . @ . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------------------[/go]


I've got to go look at this a bit.
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Re: Malkovich 104 - Joaz vs Chew Terr

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I've got to go look at this a bit.


Heh. I never put this much thought into my moves. I mean, I would read as much as I could in a minute or two (or less for most moves.) It is interesting how being forced to put your thoughts down seems to make them slightly deeper though.
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