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[go]$$Wcm70 Move 70 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
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$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . O X X 1 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X O X O X O X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . O X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , X . X X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Some fun stuff:

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[go]$$Wcm70 Move 70 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . 4 5 . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . X . X . X 3 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . O X X 1 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X O X O X O X . 2 |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O 7 6 . 8 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . 4 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . X 3 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . O X O . O 5 . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , X . X X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

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[go]$$Bcm71 Move 71 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X O X O X O X . 1 |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . O X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , X . X X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think that they are aiming for this: Black 6 at 1.

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[go]$$Wcm
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 7 |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O O 4 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . O X X 1 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . O O X 2 |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X O X O X O X 3 5 |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . O X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , X . X X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So I played my move to prevent that.
I'm thinking...
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Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

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Haven't forgotten the game, will post move tomorrow.

I don't think I can kill the right side black group, although there seem to be some tesujis one could use. I also don't think attacking it without killing at least part of it would help, so I'm thinking of tenuki-ing.

I really want to play around the G9 area before black, but black still seems stronger there, and that would help him in the fight to come.

I was surprised by daniel_the_smith's move, but I think I see where it comes from: it grabs territory and removes aji. I think it leaves black ahead on territory, and, since they have that strong black group in the middle, probably in influence too.

I need to count this at least a little more thoroughly before moving. :-?
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Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

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way Phelan plays is like a box of chacolate. you never know what you gonna get.
last 2 times he spend time prepareing move he came up with moves that is out of question.
i can not wait to see what he will play.
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Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

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[go]$$Wcm72 Move 72 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X O X O X O X . X |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . 1 . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . O X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , X . X X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I keep postponing it until I "have enough time", but I really need to count this.
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[go]$$Bcm71 Counting
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . i h g f e d c b a |
$$ | . . . C . . . . . . i h g f e d c b a |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . n m m l l k k j j |
$$ | a a h O . . . . . X . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | b b h . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | c c i O . . . . . . . O . . O . O O . |
$$ | d d i . . . . . . . X O o o p O X X O |
$$ | e e j . . . . . . O X X O O p O O X . |
$$ | f f . O . c d . . . X O X O X O X . X |
$$ | g g . , . . e . . X x x X . . O X u u |
$$ | . . O . X . b f . . y y X . O . X v v |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . w w |
$$ | . . . a g . . . . . . X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . O X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , X . X X O . . X . |
$$ | k k j . . . . . . O . . . O X X . . n |
$$ | l l n . . . . . . . . . . t s r q p o |
$$ | m m n . . . . . . . . . . t s r q p o |
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ {LN A17 D17}
$$ {LN D17 D11}
$$ {LN D11 C11}
$$ {LN C11 C9}
$$ {LN C9 A9}
$$ {LN A4 D4}
$$ {LN D4 D1}
$$ {LN M14 Q14}
$$ {LN Q14 Q10}
$$ {LN Q10 O10}
$$ {LN O10 O12}
$$ {LN O12 M12}
$$ {LN M12 M14}
$$ {LN K16 T16}
$$ {LN K16 K19}
$$ {LN T4 S4}
$$ {LN S4 S3}
$$ {LN S3 P3}
$$ {LN P3 P4}
$$ {LN P4 N4}
$$ {LN N4 N1}
$$ {LN P3 P4}
$$ {LN T11 R11}
$$ {LN R11 R7}
$$ {LN R7 T7}
$$ {LN N12 L12}
$$ {LN P3 P4}
$$ {LN L12 L11}
$$ {LN L11 K11}
$$ {LN K11 K8}
$$ {LN K8 N8}
$$ {LN N8 N12}[/go]


Argh, this diagram took much longer to make than to count it myself...Any better way to do this than by hand? :mad:

Ok, for black's top right corner I count 14.5 pairs ("Always count in twos").
Black's bottom right: 7.5 pairs (a captured stone counts for two)
Black's right group: 3 pairs
Black's middle group: 3 pairs
That makes 28 pairs for black.

White's left side: 9.5 pairs
White's bottom left corner: 4.5 pairs
White's left group: 3 pairs
Total of 17 pairs for White

This means that the difference is 28-17=11 pairs =22 -6.5 (for komi) = 15.5 points in territory

I was planning on counting possible territory, but the above exhausted me. :sad:
White has more possibilities than black in the lower left, and black has more possibilities than white in the middle left.

What matters is that since we are behind on territory, we need more to compensate the difference.
The circle (:ec:) above marks a mostly territorial move that I don't think would get enough territory, even though it might be sente against the black stone.

So I'm going to tenuki and play in the possible territory area I've mentioned earlier that I wanted to play, around 'a'.


Hmm, on second thought, since the circled move is sente and seems to gain the same as black's response to it, I'm going to play it to try and force Violence to play there, and see what magicwand plays next.

Or not. The middle would get too big...
Argh. So yeah, this is how I actually think. Please don't do all this "Wine in front of me"(TVTropes link) stuff that I do, lower ranked players.

I'm going with f above. It seems like it would be the best to attack the lone black stone, and can run both above and below. I think. I'm all thought out. :-?

I hope someone corrects this post, I think I'll learn a lot.
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Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

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in my opinion what Phelan played is wrong.
black jump into the corner 3-3 and live in sente.
then black jump into upper left corner and live.

can white win? answer is NO!
if it was 5d level his move would be blamed as losing game move.

i am pretty sure Violence will take the corner in sente.
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Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

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[go]$$Bcm73 Move 73 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X O X O X O X . X |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . O X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , X . X X O . . X . |
$$ | . . 1 . . . . . . O . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I considered adding a move in the lower right, or invading one of these corners. I feel that this corner is bigger, and that white really wasted a move by playing so close to thickness. I don't feel like cutting off one stone like he did is very profitable. Taking this corner territory just feels like the only move in this situation.
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Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

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I think the situation looks very bad for White, and that an overplay card is called for:
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[go]$$Bcm73 Move 73 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X O X O X O X . X |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . 4 . . . . . . O . . . O X O . O . . |
$$ | . . 3 O . . . . . , X . X X O . . X . |
$$ | . . 1 2 . . . . . O . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

There is no way this should work, but this is a 3v3 rengo where mistakes can easily happen from what I've seen. White isn't even that strong on the outside, but desperate times call for desperate measures. Regardless, it's hard to deny that at least it will make the game pretty entertaining, with such an all-or-nothing move.
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Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

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Ouch! :oops: I feel silly for not playing something more territorial, now
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[go]$$Bcm74 Move 74 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X O X O X O X . X |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . O X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , X . X X O . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . . . O X X W . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

my object is to win.
since it will be impossible to predict 3 moves ahead... why not throw some variations on this corner.
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Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

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Interesting, before magicwand played it, I never considered that this move might help kill the top group, reduce the white corner, or even live there. I'm still wondering if it ends in sente, so we can reply on the lower left.
I'm glad I left that aji in peace, though.

As for the lower left side, I'm wondering what side to take, and what lines of the joseki are better for us.
I'm thinking of blocking on the top side, but I'm not sure if black can't just run out in that case, instead of being chased in.
Blocking on the other side might be more useful for that, but it seems easier to reduce.
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Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

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Uh, ok, it's going to take me a bit to figure out the best response to that.
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[go]$$Bcm75 Move 75 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X O X O X O X . X |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . O X O . O 1 . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , X . X X O . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Unfortunately I have to play here or our side could die. I guess this is the price of playing my last move instead of connecting underneath.

Here's the move I'd like to play and why I won't:

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[go]$$Bcm75 Move 75 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X O X O X O X . X |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . X . . O X 8 . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . 7 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . 6 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . O X O . O 4 . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , X . X X O 2 1 X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . . . O X X O 5 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Here's something we have to watch out for:

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[go]$$Bcm75 Move 75 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X O X O X O X . X |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . 5 4 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . b 6 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . X a . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . O X O . O 1 . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , X . X X O . 2 X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . . 3 O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


black next at "b" causes us to die, but "a" works by a liberty or two. Hopefully if this happens we'll make the right choice...

EDIT: I had the letters reversed.
That which can be destroyed by the truth should be.
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[go]$$Wcm76 Move 76 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X O X O X O X . X |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . O X O . O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , X . X X O . 1 X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Seems like the only move
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[go]$$Bcm77 Move 77 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X O X O X O X . X |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . O X O . O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , X . X X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Haha! maybe....

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[go]$Bcm
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X O X O X O X . X |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . O X O . O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , X 3 X X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O 5 4 2 O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 6 7 . 1 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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