114: Violence vs NeoNemesis

Violence · Post by **Violence** » Thu Apr 21, 2011 6:21 pm

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EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Thu Apr 21, 2011 6:21 pm

Violence, NeoNemesis, good game.

Starting from Post #13, the first line of "$$" immediately after the [ go ] tag was deleted,
so the top of the board was missing and the line of hyphens "--------" became comments at the bottom of the diagram.

Post by **Solomon** » Thu Apr 21, 2011 6:23 pm

T: So what do you think of the situation so far Artosis?
A: Mm...it's hard to say Tasteless, but I think it's still pretty even despite the early aggression at the 5 o'clock natural by NeoNemesis. Looking at the Units Lost tab, both sides haven't lost any units just yet. I'm really interested in seeing how this unusual BO from NeoNemesis plays out and how Violence will respond.
T: Is this the first time you've seen this BO from NeoNemesis?
A: Well...[pause]...it's odd but I think I've seen it before, way back from IM.TakemiyA a few decades ago.
T: That guy had insane map control.
A: Yeah, sick player from the IM house, ran into him on the ladder a few times.
T: But aren't you still in...
A: [interrupts] Anyways, it's not a bad build because even if he loses the proxy at the center, if he can get expansions up at the 11 o'clock and the 8 o'clock naturals it's still anyone's game. The question is whether Violence can micro his units well enough to hold this flank coming from NeoNemesis and come out ahead.
T: Well said Artosis. To those of you who just tuning in, you're watching the first match between NeoNemesis and Artosis, sponsored by Sony Erickson and Coca Cola [shifts the Coca Cola bottle 15 degrees to fully show the logo on camera].

NeoNemesis · Post by **NeoNemesis** » Thu Apr 21, 2011 6:40 pm

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Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Thu Apr 21, 2011 7:32 pm

for obs only: (it really doesnt matter if they read my hidden at their level)

let me guess...i think it is no brainer for black.

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although NeoNemesis is a stronger player..black is ahead in my opinion.
all comes down to conflicting move white played.
influence and play 3-3 ???
it may work if this an handycap game but not at our level.

jts · Post by **jts** » Thu Apr 21, 2011 8:02 pm

Aphelion · Post by **Aphelion** » Thu Apr 21, 2011 8:46 pm

This is July:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lM4qlbTos8

This is also July:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsYcDNiJ4ic

jts · Post by **jts** » Thu Apr 21, 2011 9:07 pm

Violence · Post by **Violence** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 1:57 pm

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NeoNemesis · Post by **NeoNemesis** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 4:12 pm

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Violence · Post by **Violence** » Tue Apr 26, 2011 11:16 am

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emerus · Post by **emerus** » Tue Apr 26, 2011 11:22 am

NeoNemesis · Post by **NeoNemesis** » Tue Apr 26, 2011 11:59 am

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Seems too hard to attack the thick group. idea here is either to reinforce that stone or to take corner. It was between this move and 1 space below. I like this one more because if I take corner, he'll have to spend another move to capture the stone and it still has some aji. Otherwise, I can reforce it even better depending on which way he hanes

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At this point, black doesn't seem like he'd be in the mood to spend another move, maybe either jump out with the 3 stones or something.

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I can reinforce my stone stronger this way compared with:

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black extension at E4 would be painful later i feel because there's aji at H4 ish, maybe gaining thickness in sente

Violence · Post by **Violence** » Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:23 pm

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Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:37 pm

@Violence:

Can you elaborate on this choice of direction:

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The group is secure, but it feels slightly over-concentrated to me.

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