Teamovitch #1

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Sat Apr 23, 2011 4:15 am

Whilst we wait for a move, I just thought I'd encourage you guys to speed up with the following bit of news on our team:

Red is now 1d
chew is now 1k
TJ is now 4k

I'm barely qualified to be the captain any more - just sayin'...

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Sat Apr 23, 2011 6:22 am

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EDIT: Oops, sorry about the sleeve tesuji.

The immediate attempt to live just gets us killed. The circled stones are too powerful. If we had something around 'a', maybe we could start a liberties race. But even that is difficult because they can make moves like 'b' that gain eyespace for them. If we had both 'a' and 'b', it might be tenable. Or if we had something around 'c' we might try running. But now it is premature.

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Move 1 below is a reasonable move under normal circumstances, but we are behind. They can just reply with 2, and because of their strength on the left, they get more from the 1-2 exchange than we do.
However, if the suggestion had been 1 at 2, that would be a different story. Not only would it be sufficiently aggressive toward the left, but if would be a ladder breaker for a ladder coming from the middle.

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An approach from the bottom is also a reasonable move, and I think that Fwiffo nailed the exact location.
If they let us play at 'a' next, we can neutralize much of their strength. If they take 'a', we can take 'b', which still neutralizes some of their strength. It also removes some of the aji of a white invasion at 'c', which has worried me for a while.

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In summary, if I were playing it, it would be a tossup between a reduction from the bottom and a reduction from the top. But the choices that I am given are a just-right reduction from the bottom, and a too-conservative reduction from the top. So we are going with the reduction from the bottom with D8.

tj86430 · Post by **tj86430** » Sat Apr 23, 2011 7:38 am

topazg wrote:TJ is now 4k

You must know something I don't

(I was briefly 4k @ kgs, but now I think I'm 6k or something)

tj86430 · Post by **tj86430** » Sat Apr 23, 2011 7:41 am

Joaz, I think we would like to keep our stone @ C12

tj86430 · Post by **tj86430** » Sat Apr 23, 2011 7:43 am

WIC:

Website · Post by **Chew Terr** » Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:06 am

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Hey, you don't get to remove our last move!
White internal chat:

Redundant · Post by **Redundant** » Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:33 am

WIC

tj86430 · Post by **tj86430** » Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:21 am

WIC/suggestion:

tj86430 · Post by **tj86430** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 8:27 am

Hey, captain, we have given our suggestions almost a week ago! It can't be so hard to decide, can it? :razz:

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Tue May 03, 2011 2:33 am

I apologise, I've not been around enough and it slipped off the bottom of my unread posts list

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Post by **Jordus** » Tue May 03, 2011 5:39 pm

Black Internal Chat:

I think playing to threaten a cut with :b3:

is the perfect move now thanks to our :b1:

stone

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Just a quick analysis... more to come..

KGS 4 kyu · Post by **fwiffo** » Wed May 04, 2011 9:19 am

Black suggestion:

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We really can't skip this follow-up. The hane would mostly undo our last move. We could try jumping up instead ( :b59:

at a), but I always regret that when I try it.

Post by **Jordus** » Wed May 04, 2011 3:24 pm

Black Internal Chat:

KGS 4 kyu · Post by **fwiffo** » Thu May 12, 2011 12:02 pm

Bump... Do we still have a game here?

Jedo · Post by **Jedo** » Thu May 12, 2011 12:20 pm

Apologies, middle of finals week over here. Suggestion:

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I think Fwiffo's move is correct, but this is just to give us another option. With the wedge:

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This might be possible

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