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Strange Fuseki

Post by oso »

This is from one of my own games, with a slight modification.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc White to Play.
$$-------------------------------------
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . O , . . . . . , . . . . X , O . . |
$$| . . . . O . . . . . X . . . X O . . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$-------------------------------------[/go]


In the original game, white pincered the black group in the lower right. Also, if somebody could enable coordinates on this, that would be great. I don't remember how.

Also, I'm back. Hi everyone. :)
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Re: Strange Fuseki

Post by Jordus »

You just add a 'c' after $$B. You can click show diagram code to see what I mean since I edited the diagram for you.
The B stands for black plays first. The c stands for coordinates..
I'm thinking...
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Re: Strange Fuseki

Post by 1986 »

Welcome back buddy

this fuseki look very bad for white in my opinion

isn't a fuseki suppose to be equal on both sides

Looks like white is playing way to solidly and fell behind in the opening
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Re: Strange Fuseki

Post by daniel_the_smith »

I'm pretty sure D15 is much better for white than a move on the bottom. If white does that, I think white would be ahead.

The only question is whether or not black can punish white's two-space extension in the lower right...
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Re: Strange Fuseki

Post by Redundant »

daniel_the_smith wrote:The only question is whether or not black can punish white's two-space extension in the lower right...


I feel like the shape in the bottom right is punishment in and of itself. There's so much aji in that extension :twisted:, there's no way that there won't come a time where white needs to add a move there to prevent something nasty.
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Re: Strange Fuseki

Post by Puppycakes »

The two space extension has a lot of bad aji and so it for example drops the value of J3 for white because he's thinner on that side. Otherwise, maybe something like this:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc White to Play.
$$-------------------------------------
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 1 2 . |
$$| . . O , . . . . . , . . . . X , O . . |
$$| . . . . O . . . . . X . . . X O . 4 . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$-------------------------------------[/go]


Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc White to Play.
$$-------------------------------------
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 O 8 . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 4 3 . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 1 2 . |
$$| . . O , . . . . . , . . . . X , O 6 . |
$$| . . . . O . . . . . X . . . X O . . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$-------------------------------------[/go]


Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc White to Play.
$$-------------------------------------
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 4 . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 2 X 6 . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 X O O . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O O X . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$| . . O , . . . . . , . . . . X , O O . |
$$| . . . . O . . . . . X . . . X O . . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$-------------------------------------[/go]


Actually, with this sort of sequence in mind, J3 is looking bigger than it did before.
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Re: Strange Fuseki

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Puppycakes wrote:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc White to Play.
$$-------------------------------------
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 4 . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 2 X 6 . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 X O O . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O O X . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$| . . O , . . . . . , . . . . X , O O . |
$$| . . . . O . . . . . X . . . X O . . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$-------------------------------------[/go]



Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc White to Play.
$$-------------------------------------
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 7 . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 X 5 . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 X O O . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O O X 6 |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$| . . O , . . . . . , . . . . X , O O . |
$$| . . . . O . . . . . X . . . X O . . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$-------------------------------------[/go]


Even better for black :P

There is a nice video about how to deal with the (wrong) two-space extension in this joseki:
http://www.gocommentary.com/free-videos/how-to-punish-overplay-03.html
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Re: Strange Fuseki

Post by Puppycakes »

flOvermind wrote:
Puppycakes wrote:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc White to Play.
$$-------------------------------------
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 4 . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 2 X 6 . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 X O O . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O O X . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$| . . O , . . . . . , . . . . X , O O . |
$$| . . . . O . . . . . X . . . X O . . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$-------------------------------------[/go]



Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc White to Play.
$$-------------------------------------
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 7 . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 X 5 . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 X O O . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O O X 6 |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$| . . O , . . . . . , . . . . X , O O . |
$$| . . . . O . . . . . X . . . X O . . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$-------------------------------------[/go]


Even better for black :P

There is a nice video about how to deal with the (wrong) two-space extension in this joseki:
http://www.gocommentary.com/free-videos/how-to-punish-overplay-03.html

Heh. So it is.

Actually, that video is where I first learned this tesuji.
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