115 - robinz v. 1986

Aphelion · Post by **Aphelion** » Sun May 01, 2011 9:32 pm

Not until left is resolved.

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Sun May 01, 2011 10:24 pm

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robinz · Post by **robinz** » Mon May 02, 2011 3:25 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm65 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . O . O O O . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . X . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X X . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O 1 X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . . , O . X . . , X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . X O O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X O O . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . O X O X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

1986 · Post by **1986** » Mon May 02, 2011 8:47 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm66 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . O . O O O . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . X . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X X . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 1 X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . . , O . X . . , X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . X O O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X O O . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . O X O X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

robinz · Post by **robinz** » Mon May 02, 2011 10:20 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm67 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . O . O O O . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . X . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X X . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X . 1 . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . . , O . X . . , X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . X O O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X O O . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . O X O X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

So, this is another position in which I don't feel too comfortable. Firstly, I'm sure that I must have gone wrong somewhere in the previous sequence - and hopefully some of those hidden comments will tell me where when I get to read them after the game

But for now I have to cope with the fact that my group is currently one-eyed. I'm not particularly concerned about dying, but I still feel that I want to secure this group as soon as possible, so that I have no weak groups for him to trouble me with when I go about reducing or invading the bottom. There is so much open space around the group that I feel this really shouldn't be a problem - and yet, when I sit down in front of the board and think about where is best to play, I honestly have no idea :-?

One move that seemed natural to me was the attachment at D7, which I spent quite a lot of time looking at - indeed, I came close to posting it as my move. If he hanes on either side, I read out sequences which worked quite nicely for me and gave me a second eye. Unfortunately, I couldn't come up with any good response to him simply pulling back to C6, and therefore convinced myself that I shouldn't play that move, as it's clearly a bad exchange for me - D7 on its own doesn't really do anything for my group, while white C6 helps to solidify his corner.

So, I'm now looking to go in the other direction, at least to start with - hoping to use the aji of my D13 stone to put pressure on D12/E12, and get forcing moves that way. (Indeed, D13 isn't actually dead as it stands - if I get to play E14 it lives easily enough. But as there's little way I can kill those 2 stones by playing it now, especially with my own weak group to worry about, E14 is just an endgame move right now - and D13 stone may well die as a result of the moves coming up.

One possible sequence, for the sake of concreteness (with my usual disclaimer that this probably isn't best play for either side):

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(if white doesn't play :w70:

I have my second eye there, while in the above sequence I'm running north towards my strong stones, and should survive easily).

I'm still far from confident either that this is the best sequence to secure my group, or even that this is the right strategy - am I being too afraid? Oh well, part of the reason I am playing this game is to learn from my mistakes :lol:

1986 · Post by **1986** » Mon May 02, 2011 10:41 am

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robinz · Post by **robinz** » Mon May 02, 2011 11:18 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm69 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . O . O O O . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . X . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X X . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X . X 1 . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . . , O . X . . , X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . X O O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X O O . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . O X O X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

1986 · Post by **1986** » Mon May 02, 2011 11:57 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm70 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . O . O O O . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . X . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X X . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O O O 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X . X X . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . . , O . X . . , X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . X O O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X O O . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . O X O X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

robinz · Post by **robinz** » Mon May 02, 2011 3:28 pm

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1986 · Post by **1986** » Tue May 03, 2011 10:12 am

Hey I'm on the road today visiting friends and family & I can't post diagrams with my phone believe me I tired!

I can give u the coordinates or we can take a break for a day I should be home tomorrow night

Let me know what u prefer on this thread or pm me :study:

robinz · Post by **robinz** » Tue May 03, 2011 10:23 am

I don't mind having a break for a day (we've played pretty quickly anyway, compared to most Malkovich games), but feel free to post the co-ordinates if you've decided on your move. It would after all give me longer to think about mine ;-)

1986 · Post by **1986** » Fri May 06, 2011 8:05 am

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robinz · Post by **robinz** » Fri May 06, 2011 8:48 am

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1986 · Post by **1986** » Sat May 07, 2011 6:03 pm

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Mnemonic · Post by **Mnemonic** » Sun May 08, 2011 2:56 am

Since both players are around my strength I've been following this game and been wanting to comment on it but it's just been moving so fast :sad:

Either way, it seems to have calmed down.

Can't say I agree with black’s last move.

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is annoying but the white stones can link under at (a) as far as I can tell and he has a decent wall towards his influence. Black on the other hand just has a small corner. I would have probably played this:

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