110: Marcus vs Kirby - Kirby's Revenge!

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Sat May 07, 2011 5:07 am

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Marcus · Post by **Marcus** » Mon May 09, 2011 4:39 am

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Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Mon May 09, 2011 5:22 am

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EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Mon May 09, 2011 5:27 am

Hidden until lower right corner completely settled,

Marcus · Post by **Marcus** » Mon May 09, 2011 2:00 pm

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Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Mon May 09, 2011 2:38 pm

@Aphelion and others:

I guess the match has progressed far enough for me to reveal my thoughts.

I guess things start off back here:

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I think the move I played, above, is a little bit of an overplay. White has lots of cash, and I can afford to give black a little bit. I can play calmly, and I will probably still be ahead.

But I got greedy, and invaded. I don't know how bad of a move it is, but I think that it's a bit of an overplay for me to play the invasion above.

The next moves kind of flowed pretty simply, but I gave black a lot of thickness in the process:

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After this, I think I made my second mistake. Black has problems in his shape, but I needed to read ahead to the result that I wanted.

I'll fast forward a little bit.

When I got to this position, I had a lot of choices, like I mentioned before:

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One issue that I feel is important to think about in this position is that, while I grabbed some points on the bottom, black's thickness is starting to form in a shining way, I guess I'd call it:

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So it makes me think to myself at this point, "This invasion was probably an overplay. I don't feel like these points are the biggest area on the board, anymore.".

In fact, if black were to have tenuki-d after my move, and played something like this, I would have been a bit worried:

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So I felt that it was necessary for me to get sente. So I considered the options I had laid out before. The most straightforward is to simply take a stone. I liked nearly all variations that I ran into with this choice, but I couldn't find a way to happily deal with this move:

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Sure, I can hane under, but I don't think I'm going to end in sente:

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Black might have some effort to expend if I play the marked intersection next, but black's bottom moyo isn't something that I want to deal with.

So I considered the next most obvious move:

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Again, I don't know how to respond and get sente in this sequence:

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In fact, where do I even play? It's not clear to me that black can't live. It seems like black might have a move in this area after this kind of a sequence:

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In any event, even if black didn't have anything, I was almost certain I wouldn't get sente.

That's what really lead me to the move I selected. I wanted sente:

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I actually thought about taking sente one move earlier, but the atari buys me the fact that black can't play this sequence as easily:

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Obviously, if I cut at 'a' immediately in an effort to grab his stone, it's not working that well:

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Now, though, it's easy to tenuki:

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So I guess if I were to summarize, I think that I came to two conclusions:
1.) I think that my initial invasion was an overplay. It gave black a lot of thickness.
2.) I was desperate to get sente.

Well, I guess there's a third conclusion, if I back up to the point in this discussion where I "fast-forwarded" from. Since I played the way I did to get sente, it makes me wonder if I should have waited on atari-ing black's weaknesses, and simply extended with something like this, maybe:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . O . X X X O , . . X . X O X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . X X X X . | $$ | . . . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 7 . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . 1 4 X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . 3 O 2 6 . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This doesn't sacrifice stones, and black is a little less thick. Still, though, black might take sente...

So I guess all in all, I only really regret the invasion. I think it was a bit of an overplay.

Now, though, I have sente, so I can act in the area where it's really important. In my opinion, that's around here:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm61 Prisoner Count: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . O . X X X O , . . X . X O X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . X X X X . | $$ | . . . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . x x . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O . x x x . . . . . X X . . O . . | $$ | . . . . x x x x . . . O X . X X X . . | $$ | . . . O . x x x . X X X O X O X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X x x . . X O O . O O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

If I can reduce this area, black really doesn't have much. And that works out nicely to me.

Now I've just gotta figure out where the best place is to reduce from...

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Mon May 09, 2011 5:40 pm

I'm leaning toward one of the following:

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . O . X X X O , . . X . X O X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . X X X X . | $$ | . . . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X X . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . 3 . . . . O X . X X X . . | $$ | . . . O . 1 2 . . X X X O X O X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . X O O . O O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

The latter seems more risky, but I wonder if I can get away with it.

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Tue May 10, 2011 9:24 am

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Marcus · Post by **Marcus** » Tue May 10, 2011 2:39 pm

yithril · Post by **yithril** » Wed May 11, 2011 6:09 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm61 Prisoner Count: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . O . X X X O , . . X . X O X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . X X X X . | $$ | . . . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X X . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . 8 . . . . . O X . X X X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X X X O X O X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . X O O . O O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Awesome move by kirby I'm not sure what Black can do. I'd go with a strategy to turn the center into territory I guess. Maybe...

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . O . X X X O , . . X . X O X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . X X X X . | $$ | . . . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 6 . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . 7 4 3 1 . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . 8 O 2 . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . 9 . . . . . X X . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . 0 . . . . . O X . X X X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X X X O X O X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . X O O . O O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Cause some trouble on the right and try to eke out some territory?

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . O . X X X O , . . X . X O X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . X X X X . | $$ | . . . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 9 . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , 1 7 . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . O 2 3 6 | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 4 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X X . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . O X . X X X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X X X O X O X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . X O O . O O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Or maybe create some chaos

Marcus · Post by **Marcus** » Thu May 12, 2011 6:49 pm

How do I manage to get myself into a lot of trouble.

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I've got my eye on both a and b ... still reading.

I guess I could also try to play c and keep as much of the center as I can ... but there are so many holes in my central influence, you could play a full round of golf with it.

Still thinking ...

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Fri May 13, 2011 7:12 am

Observers only (which I think is implied by the hide tag, but I figured I'd mention it, anyway):

Marcus · Post by **Marcus** » Mon May 16, 2011 2:14 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm61 Prisoner Count: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . O . X X X O , . . X . X O X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . X X X X . | $$ | . . . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . 9 . . . . . X X . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . O X . X X X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X X X O X O X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . X O O . O O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Mon May 16, 2011 5:13 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm61 Prisoner Count: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . O . X X X O , . . X . X O X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . X X X X . | $$ | . . . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . X . . . . . X X . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . O 0 . . . . O X . X X X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X X X O X O X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . X O O . O O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I don't think there's much to think about here. If he does a center-oriented move, he just hurt this stone with the exchange:

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Marcus · Post by **Marcus** » Mon May 16, 2011 5:40 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm71 Prisoner Count: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . O . X X X O , . . X . X O X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . X X X X . | $$ | . . . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . X . . . . . X X . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . O O 1 . . . O X . X X X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X X X O X O X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . X O O . O O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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