I have $200 to spend on books, what should I get?
-
hyperpape
- Tengen
- Posts: 4382
- Joined: Thu May 06, 2010 3:24 pm
- Rank: AGA 3k
- GD Posts: 65
- OGS: Hyperpape 4k
- Location: Caldas da Rainha, Portugal
- Has thanked: 499 times
- Been thanked: 727 times
Re: I have $200 to spend on books, what should I get?
The OP said he wanted a go library. He did not say he wanted the optimal go library for improvement. I assume he does want to get better, but maybe he wants something fun as well.
- Joaz Banbeck
- Judan
- Posts: 5546
- Joined: Sun Dec 06, 2009 11:30 am
- Rank: 1D AGA
- GD Posts: 1512
- Kaya handle: Test
- Location: Banbeck Vale
- Has thanked: 1080 times
- Been thanked: 1434 times
Re: I have $200 to spend on books, what should I get?
cdybeijing wrote:...
Why do you hold Direction of Play in such high regard? ....
Because my stones told me that it was a great book.
Help make L19 more organized. Make an index: https://lifein19x19.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5207
-
Horibe
- Lives with ko
- Posts: 206
- Joined: Thu Jul 01, 2010 8:02 am
- GD Posts: 248
- Has thanked: 33 times
- Been thanked: 60 times
Re: I have $200 to spend on books, what should I get?
Araban wrote:
- Attack and Defense ($18)
- First Kyu ($13)
- Fundamental Principles of Go ($25)
- Golden Opportunities ($20)
- Invincible - The Games of Shusaku ($50)
- Lessons In The Fundamentals Of Go ($18)
- Making Good Shape ($25)
- Opening Theory Made Easy: Twenty Strategic Principles to Improve Your Opening Game ($18)
Total: $187 excluding s/h
This is a GREAT list. I 100% agree with 1,3,5-8.
First Kyu is a GREAT idea as well. It could easily cement your love of go (baduk) forever. If you are pretty well hooked already, I would substitue TESUJI from the Elementary series
Golden Opportunities I guess I have to take another look at, but I would substitue LIFE and DEATH from the Elementary series.
But these are quibbles - great list.
-
cramnhoj
- Beginner
- Posts: 6
- Joined: Thu Jun 24, 2010 4:00 am
- Rank: KGS 7 kyu
- GD Posts: 0
- KGS: cramnhoj
- Has thanked: 1 time
Re: I have $200 to spend on books, what should I get?
I'm surprised no one's mentioned the Go World Archive.
- oren
- Oza
- Posts: 2777
- Joined: Sun Apr 18, 2010 5:54 pm
- GD Posts: 0
- KGS: oren
- Tygem: oren740, orenl
- IGS: oren
- Wbaduk: oren
- Location: Seattle, WA
- Has thanked: 251 times
- Been thanked: 549 times
Re: I have $200 to spend on books, what should I get?
cramnhoj wrote:I'm surprised no one's mentioned the Go World Archive.
I would highly recommend the Kiseido Digital Bookshelf, but I still don't consider these books yet. If asked about e-books and books it would be different.
Re: I have $200 to spend on books, what should I get?
Thanks for all the advice! I have just acquired "Lessons in the Fundamentals of Go" and I am really enjoying it! Amazing book.
- daal
- Oza
- Posts: 2508
- Joined: Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:30 am
- GD Posts: 0
- Has thanked: 1304 times
- Been thanked: 1128 times
Re: I have $200 to spend on books, what should I get?
Josh wrote:Thanks for all the advice! I have just acquired "Lessons in the Fundamentals of Go" and I am really enjoying it! Amazing book.
For $200?
Patience, grasshopper.
Re: I have $200 to spend on books, what should I get?
No, I got it for ~$20. I am going to buy the books over the course of a few weeks/months.
- ACGalaga
- Dies in gote
- Posts: 48
- Joined: Wed May 11, 2011 8:22 pm
- Rank: 24k
- GD Posts: 0
- KGS: ACGalaga
- DGS: ACGalaga
- Universal go server handle: ACGalaga
- Location: Nagai, Osaka
- Has thanked: 6 times
- Been thanked: 10 times
- Contact:
Re: I have $200 to spend on books, what should I get?
Since I'm a beginner, this thread has also been really helpful to me as well. I'm about to send an order and I wanted to ask your opinion on which of the "Graded Go Problems for Beginners" books I should order first.
Everyone seems to recommend Vol. 3 in this thread. Also, I've been solving the problems on the SmartGo soft up to 20k and found some of them tricky but not too difficult overall. So, I thought that Vol. 1 might be too easy, but what about Vol.2? Reading reviews on Amazon, many people have said that "although simple, there is still much to learn from these problems."
Or should I just screw all that crap and buy Vol. 3 first?
Thanks!
Everyone seems to recommend Vol. 3 in this thread. Also, I've been solving the problems on the SmartGo soft up to 20k and found some of them tricky but not too difficult overall. So, I thought that Vol. 1 might be too easy, but what about Vol.2? Reading reviews on Amazon, many people have said that "although simple, there is still much to learn from these problems."
Or should I just screw all that crap and buy Vol. 3 first?
Thanks!
-
lovely
- Dies with sente
- Posts: 121
- Joined: Fri Apr 29, 2011 8:39 pm
- GD Posts: 109
- KGS: lovely
- Tygem: imsohot
- Location: Lyndhurst, New Jersey
- Has thanked: 44 times
- Been thanked: 10 times
Re: I have $200 to spend on books, what should I get?
topazg wrote:Whatever you buy, books I think you simply must get at that level if you don't already own them are:
* Tesuji (Elementary Go Series)
* Attack and Defence (Elementary Go Series)
* Fundamental Principles of Go (Yang)
* Lessons in the fundamentals of Go (Kageyama)
* Opening Theory made easy (Hideo)
* Graded Go Problems III
This list is pretty much bang on what you need. I call Tesuji, Attack and Defense, and Fundamentals (Kageyama) the "Holy Trinity". They're all written in a very understandable way and all contain a compendium of knowledge.
Those three books alone should get you to around mid-SDK. Once you do reach around 5k, Direction of Play would be really useful, as will Reducing Territorial Frameworks by Fujisawa Shuko. I haven't really read many books, but the ones I've mentioned in this post are all fantastic.
- Mnemonic
- Lives in gote
- Posts: 324
- Joined: Wed Aug 11, 2010 10:41 pm
- Rank: KGS 7 kyu
- GD Posts: 0
- KGS: Mnemonic, dude13
- Location: Dresden
- Has thanked: 26 times
- Been thanked: 22 times
Re: I have $200 to spend on books, what should I get?
@ACGalaga
Volume 3 is very useful if you are trying to break sdk. If you are weaker than that I would recommend Volume 2. I think the reason why everyone likes Volume 3 is that the OP is around that level and that it is one of the few books that covers material in that strength range.
Volume 3 is very useful if you are trying to break sdk. If you are weaker than that I would recommend Volume 2. I think the reason why everyone likes Volume 3 is that the OP is around that level and that it is one of the few books that covers material in that strength range.
While I was teaching the game to a friend of mine, my mother from the other room:
"Cutting? Killing? Poking out eyes? What the hell are you playing?"
"Cutting? Killing? Poking out eyes? What the hell are you playing?"
-
Koroviev
- Lives with ko
- Posts: 221
- Joined: Mon Nov 01, 2010 7:27 am
- Rank: 6k
- GD Posts: 0
- Has thanked: 38 times
- Been thanked: 35 times
Re: I have $200 to spend on books, what should I get?
I recommend volume 1 if you're a beginner, although most of the problems in the first half will be solveable for you, they are great for drilling you on recognising shapes, and also building some confidence for basic life and death.
-
onou1
- Beginner
- Posts: 7
- Joined: Mon Jul 04, 2011 5:08 pm
- Rank: KGS 3k
- GD Posts: 0
- KGS: onou1
- Has thanked: 17 times
- Been thanked: 5 times
Re: I have $200 to spend on books, what should I get?
For that amount of money you can get a nice balanced library.
Developing reading ability is probably the quickest way to improve, though a lot of people find it boring, so:
* Tesuji (Elementary Go Series)
* Life and Death (also EGS)
Those are classics. If you want more reading practice, I'd actually recommend getting a book on the endgame, though most people don't study that until much later. I don't recommend the EGS Endgame book, but Get Strong at the Endgame seems good.
The suggestions above were imho a little short on the opening. I made it to about 8k with absolutely abysmal reading ability; just knowing the basics of opening theory made up for it. So I'd recommend you get one on theory:
* In the Beginning (EGS - this is the one I read)
OR
* Opening Theory Made Easy (haven't read it but have heard it's very good)
and one of problems:
* Five Hundred and One Opening Problems (Mastering the Basics Series)
Those four will keep you busy for quite a while. When you want to expand your library a little more, you'll want to get some good books on midgame tactics/ strategy. My favourites there are:
* Making Good Shape (MBS)
* All About Ko (MBS)
* Get Strong at Invading
* Get Strong at Attacking
You could get those now, but be warned that they assume a fair amount of reading ability - don't be discouraged if you can't do the problems just yet.
That 8 or 9 books is probably about $200 if you count taxes and shipping.
Good luck!
Developing reading ability is probably the quickest way to improve, though a lot of people find it boring, so:
* Tesuji (Elementary Go Series)
* Life and Death (also EGS)
Those are classics. If you want more reading practice, I'd actually recommend getting a book on the endgame, though most people don't study that until much later. I don't recommend the EGS Endgame book, but Get Strong at the Endgame seems good.
The suggestions above were imho a little short on the opening. I made it to about 8k with absolutely abysmal reading ability; just knowing the basics of opening theory made up for it. So I'd recommend you get one on theory:
* In the Beginning (EGS - this is the one I read)
OR
* Opening Theory Made Easy (haven't read it but have heard it's very good)
and one of problems:
* Five Hundred and One Opening Problems (Mastering the Basics Series)
Those four will keep you busy for quite a while. When you want to expand your library a little more, you'll want to get some good books on midgame tactics/ strategy. My favourites there are:
* Making Good Shape (MBS)
* All About Ko (MBS)
* Get Strong at Invading
* Get Strong at Attacking
You could get those now, but be warned that they assume a fair amount of reading ability - don't be discouraged if you can't do the problems just yet.
That 8 or 9 books is probably about $200 if you count taxes and shipping.
Good luck!
- Bantari
- Gosei
- Posts: 1639
- Joined: Sun Dec 06, 2009 6:34 pm
- GD Posts: 0
- Universal go server handle: Bantari
- Location: Ponte Vedra
- Has thanked: 642 times
- Been thanked: 490 times
Re: I have $200 to spend on books, what should I get?
Flowers for your wife... girlfriend.. boyfriend.. whatever (I don't judge)
In the long run - this will profit you more than Go books, i guarantee!
If you really want to get Go books, though, the ones I recommend are:
Lessons in the Fundamentals of Go
Attack and Defense - EGS as well
Strategic Concepts of Go
Invincible
Ishida
I am not sure about the prices... and about what you need. But these are universal books which will serve you well through your Go-playing years, regardless of the level.
if you have more money? Try these:
Kato's attack and kill
The direction of play (kajiwara)
and so on...
I would say - go for the classics, the old(er) books... on average - they are better than the new(er) crop...
Just my opinion...
Of course - your wife/girlfriend/boyfriend/whatever will not necessarily appreciate the expenditure, even if they agree to it.
In the long run - this will profit you more than Go books, i guarantee!
If you really want to get Go books, though, the ones I recommend are:
Lessons in the Fundamentals of Go
Attack and Defense - EGS as well
Strategic Concepts of Go
Invincible
Ishida
I am not sure about the prices... and about what you need. But these are universal books which will serve you well through your Go-playing years, regardless of the level.
if you have more money? Try these:
Kato's attack and kill
The direction of play (kajiwara)
and so on...
I would say - go for the classics, the old(er) books... on average - they are better than the new(er) crop...
Just my opinion...
Of course - your wife/girlfriend/boyfriend/whatever will not necessarily appreciate the expenditure, even if they agree to it.
- Bantari
______________________________________________
WARNING: This post might contain Opinions!!
______________________________________________
WARNING: This post might contain Opinions!!