115 - robinz v. 1986

ez4u · Post by **ez4u** » Sun May 15, 2011 5:36 pm

robinz wrote:
Yet another surprising move from MHO. I had trouble deciding between this simple capture and the cut at E6. Playing the former, I expect white to play at E6 to connect his groups, then I get sente to play elsewhere (M17, almost certainly). Whereas, playing E6 now, I would expect white to capture at A5 himself - then, as far as I can read I need to play another move in the corner (looks like the hane at E1 kills, to me), but then white needs B8 (or similar) to save his own left-hand group, and once again I have sente. So the only question is which of the following results I prefer:

$$Bcm95 Prisoner Count
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . 5 . O . O O O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . X . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X X . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X X X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , O . X . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . X O O O X . . |
$$ | . 4 . O . . . . . . . O O X X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . O X O X O . |
$$ | . O O . 1 . . . . . . . . O X X X X . |
$$ | 2 X O X . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | O O X O O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X X X O X O . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+

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[go]$$Bcm95 Prisoner Count $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . . 5 . O . O O O . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . X . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X X . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X . X X X . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X , X . . . . , O . X . . , X . . | $$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . X O O O X . . | $$ | . 4 . O . . . . . . . O O X X O O . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . O X O X O . | $$ | . O O . 1 . . . . . . . . O X X X X . | $$ | 2 X O X . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | O O X O O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | X X X O X O . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

or

$$Bcm95 Prisoner Count
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$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . 3 . O . O O O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . X . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X X . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X X X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , O . X . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O O X X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . O X O X O . |
$$ | . O O . 2 . . . . . . . . O X X X X . |
$$ | 1 X O X . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | O O X O O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X X X O X O . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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[go]$$Bcm95 Prisoner Count $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . . 3 . O . O O O . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . X . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X X . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X . X X X . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X , X . . . . , O . X . . , X . . | $$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . X O O O X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O O X X O O . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . O X O X O . | $$ | . O O . 2 . . . . . . . . O X X X X . | $$ | 1 X O X . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | O O X O O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | X X X O X O . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

There's no question that in the latter, which I've now played, I have more points. But in the former, which I came very close to playing, white's groups are cut apart, so I could hope in the longer term to be able to put more pressure on his F2 group this way. In other words, it would be a sacrifice of certain short-term gain for a possibly greater long term one. I decided in the end to just take the instant cash though, as I wouldn't be that confident of making all that many gains in the other scenario, and it also gives black virtually no more sente moves (or ko threats) against the corner, when there would have been several in the other scenario. Plus, if I'm taking sente into the next phase of the game, I start to feel ahead for the first time for a long while in this game, so keeping things simple and grabbing points seems the best option

Note that the situation is a little more complex than robinz's reading indicates. If Black chooses the E6 cut now, it is not "necessarily" sente. The earlier marked kikashi allows White to live against Black's direct attempt to kill. After 1-10 below the marked stone is perfectly placed to give White a snapback...

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . O . O O O . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . X . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X X . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X . X X X . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X , X . . . . , O . X . . , X . . | $$ | . 5 X X X . . . . . . . X O O O X . . | $$ | . 1 4 W 7 . . . . . . O O X X O O . . | $$ | 2 3 O . 6 X . . . . . . . O X O X O . | $$ | . O O 9 X 0 a . . . . . . O X X X X . | $$ | O . O X 8 . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | O O X O O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | X X X O X O . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

However, White barely survives. As a result, Black may be able to force White to live in another way that helps Black invade the lower side later, e.g. start with the hanging connection at "a". It would all depend on the evaluation of the alternatives if White plays away here.

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Sun May 15, 2011 6:28 pm

1986,

1986 · Post by **1986** » Sun May 15, 2011 11:29 pm

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Yeah, I agree Apehlion my play was inconsistent
i wasn't completely focused on my game, but im back home
and i got more time to devote to my go again,

Ed lee wow i didn't think of that, i learn something new everyday

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm96 Prisoner Count $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . 5 4 6 . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . 1 . . . 2 . O . O O O . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . X . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . 9 8 . . . 3 . . . . X . . . X X . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X . X X X . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X , X . . . . , O . X . . , X . . | $$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . X O O O X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O O X X O O . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . O X O X O . | $$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . O X X X X . | $$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | X X X O X O . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm96 Prisoner Count $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . 9 8 4 . 7 6 . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X 3 1 . 2 . . . O . O O O . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . X . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . 5 . . . . X . . . X X . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X . X X X . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X , X . . . . , O . X . . , X . . | $$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . X O O O X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O O X X O O . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . O X O X O . | $$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . O X X X X . | $$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | X X X O X O . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

robinz · Post by **robinz** » Mon May 16, 2011 2:29 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm97 Prisoner Count $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . O . . . . . O . O O O . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . X . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X X . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X . X X X . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X , X . . . . , O . X . . , X . . | $$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . X O O O X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O O X X O O . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . O X O X O . | $$ | . O O . 1 . . . . . . . . O X X X X . | $$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | X X X O X O . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

1986 · Post by **1986** » Mon May 16, 2011 9:12 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm98 Prisoner Count $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . O . . . . . O . O O O . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . X . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . 1 . . . . X . . . X X . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X . X X X . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X , X . . . . , O . X . . , X . . | $$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . X O O O X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O O X X O O . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . O X O X O . | $$ | . O O . X . . . . . . . . O X X X X . | $$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | X X X O X O . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

cool he didn't defend lets contiune

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i was thinking about playing here

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but i dont like getting pushed down
and i rather spit the stones with my invasion and connect to the center group anyway

i can still play A8 to save those ugly badly managed stones
but that isn't really worth that much right now besides
its fighting time

i thought i was going to be out for the count but after playing with the stones a little bit more, i still got a good fighting chance to win

its amazing at how many mistakes you can make and still comeback

I love this game!

*lets get ready to rumble!* (WWF Voice)

robinz · Post by **robinz** » Mon May 16, 2011 10:24 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm99 Prisoner Count $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . O . . . 1 . O . O O O . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . X . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . . X X . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X . X X X . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X , X . . . . , O . X . . , X . . | $$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . X O O O X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O O X X O O . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . O X O X O . | $$ | . O O . X . . . . . . . . O X X X X . | $$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | X X X O X O . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

1986 · Post by **1986** » Mon May 16, 2011 11:35 am

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i was orginally thinking k18
but this looks a little better
not to mention k18 its still open for later

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm100 Prisoner Count $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 2 5 . 8 . | $$ | . . . . O X . O . . . X 9 O 3 O O O 7 | $$ | . . . O . X . . . X . . . . X X X O 6 | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . . X X . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . 1 . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X . X X X . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X , X . . . . , O . X . . , X . . | $$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . X O O O X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O O X X O O . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . O X O X O . | $$ | . O O . X . . . . . . . . O X X X X . | $$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | X X X O X O . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

this is pretty intersting
makes a pretty cool tsuemgo lol
i found 2 different ways to live here

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm100 Prisoner Count $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . O . . . X . O . O O O . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . X . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . O 3 4 . . X . . . X X . | $$ | . . O . O . . . 2 1 5 . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . 6 . . . 7 . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X . X X X . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X , X . . . . , O . X . . , X . . | $$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . X O O O X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O O X X O O . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . O X O X O . | $$ | . O O . X . . . . . . . . O X X X X . | $$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | X X X O X O . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

this activates the aji of p11

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm100 Prisoner Count $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 2 5 . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . O 6 . . X . O 3 O O O . | $$ | . . . O . X . 9 7 X . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . O 8 . . . X . . . X X . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . 1 . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X . X X X . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X , X . . . . , O . X . . , X . . | $$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . X O O O X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O O X X O O . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . O X O X O . | $$ | . O O . X . . . . . . . . O X X X X . | $$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | X X X O X O . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

this looks pretty even to me

robinz · Post by **robinz** » Mon May 16, 2011 11:50 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm101 Prisoner Count $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . O . . . X . O . O O O . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . X . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . . X X . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X . X X X . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X , X . . . . , O . X . . , X . . | $$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . X O O O X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O O X X O O . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . O X O X O . | $$ | . O O . X . . . . . . . . O X X X X . | $$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | X X X O X O . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

xDragon · Post by **xDragon** » Mon May 16, 2011 1:00 pm

1986,

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Mon May 16, 2011 4:23 pm

1986, Hidden until upper right corner settled,

1986 · Post by **1986** » Tue May 17, 2011 7:48 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm102 prisoner Count $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . O . . . X . O . O O O . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . X . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . . X X . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X . X X X . . . . . . 1 X . . . | $$ | . . X , X . . . . , O . X . . , X . . | $$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . X O O O X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O O X X O O . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . O X O X O . | $$ | . O O . X . . . . . . . . O X X X X . | $$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | X X X O X O . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

OK the A8 question first...

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm102 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . O . . . X . O . O O O . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . X . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . . X X . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X . X X X . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | 3 2 X , X . . . . , O . X . . , X . . | $$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . X O O O X . . | $$ | 1 . . O . . . . . . . O O X X O O . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . O X O X O . | $$ | . O O . X . . . . . . . . O X X X X . | $$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | X X X O X O . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

This works but this is wishful thinking on my part & there is a push and cut i just found trying to answer the question

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm102 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . O . . . X . O . O O O . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . X . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . . X X . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X . X X X . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . 7 X , X . . . . , O . X . . , X . . | $$ | 3 5 X X X . . . . . . . X O O O X . . | $$ | 1 2 6 O . . . . . . . O O X X O O . . | $$ | . 4 O . . X . . . . . . . O X O X O . | $$ | . O O . X . . . . . . . . O X X X X . | $$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | X X X O X O . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

its dosen't look bad for a endgame sequence though

ok, now for my move
my first thought was p11
i dont know why but i really want to play there
if he p17 i will contiue to come into the center

i know i should play p17 right now since its a forcing move but i just gotta see whats his responce to my p11

here are my variations for this move:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm102 prisoner Count $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . O . . . X . O 2 O O O . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . X . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . . X X . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X . X X X . . . . 3 . 1 X . . . | $$ | . . X , X . . . . , O . X . . , X . . | $$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . X O O O X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O O X X O O . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . O X O X O . | $$ | . O O . X . . . . . . . . O X X X X . | $$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | X X X O X O . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm102 prisoner Count $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . O . . . X . O . O O O . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . X . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . . X X . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . . . | $$ | . O X O O O O . . . . . 6 5 4 7 . . . | $$ | . O X X . X X X . . . . . 2 1 X 9 . . | $$ | . . X , X . . . . , O . X . 3 , X . . | $$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . X O O O X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O O X X O O . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . O X O X O . | $$ | . O O . X . . . . . . . . O X X X X . | $$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | X X X O X O . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm102 prisoner Count $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . O . . . X . O . O O O . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . X . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . . X X . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O O O O . . . . . . 6 . 2 . . . | $$ | . O X X . X X X . . . . 3 4 1 X . . . | $$ | . . X , X . . . . , O 7 X 5 . , X . . | $$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . X O O O X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O O X X O O . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . O X O X O . | $$ | . O O . X . . . . . . . . O X X X X . | $$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | X X X O X O . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

robinz · Post by **robinz** » Tue May 17, 2011 7:52 am

Yikes, that's not a move I expected at all. Must do much reading now :scratch:

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Tue May 17, 2011 8:30 am

Hidden until this fight is finished,

1986 wrote:
$$Wm102
$$---------------------
$$. . . . . . . . . . |
$$. . . . . X . . . . |
$$. . X . O . O O O . |
$$X . . . . X X X O . |
$$. . . X . . . X X . |
$$O . . . . . . O . . |
$$. . . . . 8 . . . . |
$$. . . 6 5 4 7 . . . |
$$. . . . 2 1 X 9 . . |
$$, O . X . 3 , X . . |
$$. . . X O O O X . . |
$$. . O O X X O O . . |
$$. . . . O X O X O . |
$$. . . . O X X X X . |
$$. . . O X . . . . . |
$$, . . . . . X . . . |
$$. O . . O . . X . . |
$$. . . . . . O . . . |
$$. . . . . . . . . . |
$$--------------------+

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wm102 $$--------------------- $$. . . . . . . . . . | $$. . . . . X . . . . | $$. . X . O . O O O . | $$X . . . . X X X O . | $$. . . X . . . X X . | $$O . . . . . . O . . | $$. . . . . 8 . . . . | $$. . . 6 5 4 7 . . . | $$. . . . 2 1 X 9 . . | $$, O . X . 3 , X . . | $$. . . X O O O X . . | $$. . O O X X O O . . | $$. . . . O X O X O . | $$. . . . O X X X X . | $$. . . O X . . . . . | $$, . . . . . X . . . | $$. O . . O . . X . . | $$. . . . . . O . . . | $$. . . . . . . . . . | $$--------------------+[/go]

1986: B would not atari with :b7:

; B would reduce W's libs with :b4:

:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$W $$--------------------- $$. . . . . . . . . . | $$. . . . . X . . . . | $$. . X . O . O O O . | $$X . . . . X X X O . | $$. . . X . . . X X . | $$O . . . . . . O . . | $$. . . . . . . . . . | $$. . . . 3 2 . . . . | $$. . . 5 B W X . . . | $$, O . X 6 1 . X . . | $$. . . X O O O X . . | $$. . O O X X O O 4 . | $$. . . . O X O X O . | $$. . . . O X X X X . | $$. . . O X . . . . . | $$, . . . . . X . . . | $$. O . . O . . X . . | $$. . . . . . O . . . | $$. . . . . . . . . . | $$---------------------[/go]

Variation:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$W at (a), snapback $$--------------------- $$. . . . . . . . . . | $$. . . . . X . . . . | $$. . X . O . O O O . | $$X . . . . X X X O . | $$. . . X . . . X X . | $$O . . . . . . O . . | $$. . . . . 8 . . . . | $$. . . . 3 2 7 . . . | $$. . . . B W X 9 . . | $$, O . X 0 1 a X . . | $$. . . X O O O X 5 . | $$. . O O X X O O 4 . | $$. . . . O X O X O 6 | $$. . . . O X X X X . | $$. . . O X . . . . . | $$, . . . . . X . . . | $$. O . . O . . X . . | $$. . . . . . O . . . | $$. . . . . . . . . . | $$---------------------[/go]

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Tue May 17, 2011 8:40 am

Hidden until this fight is finished,

mw42 · Post by **mw42** » Tue May 17, 2011 8:50 am

Life In 19x19

115 - robinz v. 1986

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