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Re: Killovitch 1: Magicwand vs. Shaddy

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Re: Killovitch 1: Magicwand vs. Shaddy

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[go]$$Wcm11 Can white still make a living group?
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Re: Killovitch 1: Magicwand vs. Shaddy

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[go]$$Wcm11 Can white still make a living group?
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: Killovitch 1: Magicwand vs. Shaddy

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My suggestion:
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[go]$$Wc
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Re: Killovitch 1: Magicwand vs. Shaddy

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Joaz Banbeck wrote:My suggestion:
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[go]$$Wc
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Is there any reason not to play the point I marked a? It's hard to imagine that white will want to play on the other side.
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Re: Killovitch 1: Magicwand vs. Shaddy

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hyperpape wrote:
Joaz Banbeck wrote:My suggestion:
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[go]$$Wc
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Is there any reason not to play the point I marked a? It's hard to imagine that white will want to play on the other side.

Yes. I would save it as a ko threat.
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Joaz Banbeck wrote:
hyperpape wrote:
Joaz Banbeck wrote:My suggestion:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc
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Is there any reason not to play the point I marked a? It's hard to imagine that white will want to play on the other side.


Yes. I would save it as a ko threat.


I assume you wanted to hide that. :)

But in these games, if white makes a ko, black has usually lost already, because there are no useful black threats.
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Re: Killovitch 1: Magicwand vs. Shaddy

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[go]$$Wcm21 Can white still make a living group?
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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L13 is my movee
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Magicwand wrote:L13 is my movee


It looks like MW is posting from a phone, so I'll add this:

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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Wcm21 Can white still make a living group?
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$$ | . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Wcm21 Can white still make a living group?
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$$ | . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: Killovitch 1: Magicwand vs. Shaddy

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I would have a hard time answering white G12 as black. I'll be surprised if Shaddy plays something different.

Edit: Really lots of moves seem possible. G7 H6 F12 might be more interesting. I really don't know.
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[go]$$Wcm21 Can white still make a living group?
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . X . . O O O . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . O O X X X X . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X O . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: Killovitch 1: Magicwand vs. Shaddy

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$$ | . . . . . . O X . O . . . . . . . . . |
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