Magic Wand vs. Yithril

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Re: Magic Wand vs. Yithril

Post by Magicwand »

i think this should have been correct answer to my move.
ko threat??? yes..he should have let me live and save his two stone.

then again..what do i know... i am only 5dan.
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[go]$$Bcm101 PRISONERS B:3 W:1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 1 C X X X O O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X X X , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O . O O X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . X . X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . O X O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . X X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . , . O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O B B O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O . O . O O O . O O . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . , . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: Magic Wand vs. Yithril

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[go]$$Bcm101 PRISONERS B:3 W:1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O O 3 X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X X X X O O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X X X , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O . O O X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . X . X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . O X O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . X X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . , . O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O X X O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O . O . O O O . O O . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . , . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Hmm, fun.
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Re: Magic Wand vs. Yithril

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[go]$$Bcm101 PRISONERS B:3 W:1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O 4 X O O O X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X X X X O O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X X X , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O . O O X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . X . X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . O X O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . X X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . , . O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O X X O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O . O . O O O . O O . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . , . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: Magic Wand vs. Yithril

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@Magicwand
Why not take the ko first? It seems like the ko is bigger than killing the group, isn't it?
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Re: Magic Wand vs. Yithril

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[go]$$Bcm101 PRISONERS B:3 W:1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O O O X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X X X X O O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X X X , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O . O O X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X X . 5 . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . X . X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . O X O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . X X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . , . O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O X X O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O . O . O O O . O O . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . , . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: Magic Wand vs. Yithril

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[go]$$Bcm101 PRISONERS B:5 W:1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O O O X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X X X X O O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X X X , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O . O O X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . 8 X X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . X . X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . O X . 7 . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . 6 X X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . , . O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O X X O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O . O . O O O . O O . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . , . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

let me know if you disagree.
emeraldemon wrote:@Magicwand
Why not take the ko first? It seems like the ko is bigger than killing the group, isn't it?
if i play any further...i would lose more points with distroying my aji.
ko was not what i was after...i used it to make sure i capture the top.

i think i am satisfied and will win easily.
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Re: Magic Wand vs. Yithril

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I do not agree.
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[go]$$Bcm101 PRISONERS B:5 W:1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O O O X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X X X X O O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X X X , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O 7 O O X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . X . X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . O X O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . 6 X X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . , . O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O X X O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O . O . O O O . O O . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . , . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: Magic Wand vs. Yithril

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm101 PRISONERS B:5 W:1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O O O X X . . . 8 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X X X X O O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X X X , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X O O X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . X . X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . O X O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . 6 X X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . , . O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O X X O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O . O . O O O . O O . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . , . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


wow... when i had a winning chance...i misread. i hate to play this game..when kids are screaming :(
i think i am going to lose this game... i am behind too much and i dont think i can win.
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Re: Magic Wand vs. Yithril

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Big change of attitude in one move.
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Re: Magic Wand vs. Yithril

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Magicwand:
Would you mind explaining the 8 you chose in your last diagram? Is there a reason it's better than, say, K16, which seems like the 'obvious' kyu answer? Or are you just trying to be more aggressive in because you feel like you're behind?
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Re: Magic Wand vs. Yithril

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@Chew:
I might have a detail or two wrong, but I'm seeing something like this currently:

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[go]$$W
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O O O X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X X X X O O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . 3 1 4 5 X X X , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X O O X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . 6 . 2 X X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . X . X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . O X O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . O X X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . , . O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O X X O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O . O . O O O . O O . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . , . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


White can't break through:

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[go]$$W variation 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O O O X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X X X X O O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . 3 1 4 O O . O X X X , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . 2 5 O X O O X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X 6 X X X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . X . X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . O X O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . O X X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . , . O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O X X O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O . O . O O O . O O . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . , . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Neither can white break through like this:

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[go]$$W variation 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O O O X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X X X X O O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . 9 7 0 O O . O X X X , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . 8 2 1 O X O O X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . 5 X 3 X X X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . 6 4 . X . X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . O X O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . O X X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . , . O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O X X O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O . O . O O O . O O . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . , . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


And either way, this happens:

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[go]$$W Either way...
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O O O X X . 2 4 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X X X X O O O 3 5 6 . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O X O O 1 O X X X , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X O O X O O X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . X X . X . X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . O X O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . O X X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . , . O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O X X O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O . O . O O O . O O . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . , . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: Magic Wand vs. Yithril

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LightVector:
Thanks, 6 is the move my brain wasn't seeing.
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Re: Magic Wand vs. Yithril

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but even with the actual white's move i see little good for him:

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[go]$$Bcm1 Diagram 163-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O O O X X . . . W . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X X X X O O O a . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . 3 1 2 X X X , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X O O X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . X . X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . O X O b . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . O X X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . , . O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O X X O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O . O . O O O . O O . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . , . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

this way black group returns to live and white has troubles living himself, having major weakness at 'a'. 2 can be omitted to prevent it, but without much overall difference. and if black gets sente to capture at 'b', it looks like a gameover

too bad, i cheered for Magicwand whole game
Spilling gasoline feels good.

I might be wrong, but probably not.
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Re: Magic Wand vs. Yithril

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[go]$$Bcm101 PRISONERS B:5 W:1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O O O X X . . . O . 9 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X X X X O O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X X X , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X O O X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . X . X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . O X O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . O X X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . , . O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O X X O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O . O . O O O . O O . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . , . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

His atari was way too early. I'm not letting this chance get away.
Nein Mann, ich will noch nicht gehen, ich will noch 'n bisschen tanzen.
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Re: Magic Wand vs. Yithril

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So just to explain to folks what is going on, the atari was A) Utterly unnecessary and B) Not as big as this sequence.

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[go]$$Bcm1 PRISONERS B:5 W:1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O O O X X . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X X X X O O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . 8 6 9 4 2 . . X X X , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . 7 0 O 1 O O X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . 5 . 3 X X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . X . X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . O X O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . O X X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . , . O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O X X O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O . O . O O O . O O . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . , . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm1 PRISONERS B:5 W:1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O O O X X . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X X X X O O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O X O O 1 2 X X X , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O O X O O X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X 3 X X X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . X . X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . O X O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . O X X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . , . O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O X X O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O . O . O O O . O O . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . , . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


White cannot get out through my blockade. If I capture this group I singlehandedly save my top group and take the upper right corner. If I get sente I answer his atari and there is no means for him to win.

I'm not sure what happened but White's strategy has been hasty ever since he played at the bottom.
Nein Mann, ich will noch nicht gehen, ich will noch 'n bisschen tanzen.
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