122. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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yithril wrote:@ obs
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think White can win the liberty race.

Too bad there's like no cut.


How about this?
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[go]$$Bcm1 6 and 10 connect
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$$ | . O O X . . X O O 3 O X . O . X X . . |
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[go]$$Bcm1 6 and 10 connect
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X 9 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . b . . . . X X X O X 8 O , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . O X O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . a . . . . . . X X O O X 6 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X O . O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X 5 3 X O O O O X . O . X X . . |
$$ | . O X . 4 2 O O O O X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X 7 X . O X X X . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . O . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Black gives up the three stones on the right side but ends up with a lot of thickness in the center, having eliminated the bad aji in the bottom left. I think 9 next would be a good choice, but there are various alternatives. The peep at "a" promises trouble on the left in the future now that the D6 stone is secure.
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yithril,
Thanks; sometimes I get lucky. :mrgreen:
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Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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I haven't forgotten about this game, either. I have some thoughts on this game, but I want to wait until I've moved along with my game against Marcus.

I thought playing 3 Malkovich games at the same time was manageable, but I'm thinking that it is too distracting to play multiple games simultaneously.

Once I can clear my mind from my game against Marcus, I can put 100% focus on this game. I might play a basic move like Q12, but I'd better come up with a plan, first.
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Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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ez4u wrote:
yithril wrote:@ obs
...
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[go]$$Bcm1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . 3 4 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X 2 . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . 1 X X O X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . O X O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X O O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X 6 . O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . X O O 8 O X . O . X X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . 9 0 7 . X . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think White can win the liberty race.

Too bad there's like no cut.


How about this?
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[go]$$Bcm1 6 and 10 connect
$$ ---------------------------------------
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm1 6 and 10 connect
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$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X O . O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X 5 3 X O O O O X . O . X X . . |
$$ | . O X . 4 2 O O O O X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X 7 X . O X X X . . O . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Black gives up the three stones on the right side but ends up with a lot of thickness in the center, having eliminated the bad aji in the bottom left. I think 9 next would be a good choice, but there are various alternatives. The peep at "a" promises trouble on the left in the future now that the D6 stone is secure.


Fine ten, read further why don't you :P
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Welcome back, Kirby's Angry Bird. :mrgreen:
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Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I was going to wait until I could "focus" on this game. However, I have enough time to "focus", I think, so let's just get this game rollin'!

P.S. This cut seems too interesting to ignore. It may be too aggressive... If it is, then I'll learn something.
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Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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[go]$$Wcm41
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

not easy to fight through..
i think i am still ok...but i can not be sure.

edit:
if i successfully get life my marked stone will be able to split his group.
i dont see any way for him to capture that stone.
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[go]$$Wcm41
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$$ | . O O X . . X O O . O X . O . X X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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[go]$$Wcm41
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . . O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . X O O . O X . O . X X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . 0 . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . O . , X . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think that this is a key point on this part of the board. In particular, I'm OK with letting him play in the corner, if he lets me play here:
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[go]$$Bcm1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . . O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . X O O . O X . O . X X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X 1 2 . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . O 3 , X . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . W O . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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[go]$$Wcm51
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . . O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . X O O . O X . O . X X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . O . 1 X . . O . X . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i hate it when they dont play what i want them to play :(
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . . O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . X O O . O X . O . X X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X 2 . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . O . O X . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If he answers, I will play here next:
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$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . . O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . X O O . O X . O . X X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X X O . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . O . O X . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . B . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
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This is to help out with the area where I tenukied before, as there is aji there:
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[go]$$Wcm51
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$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . . O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . X O O . O X . O . X X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X C X C O . O X . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . C W C . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . C C C . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Post by illluck »

Not sure about Kirby's variation - my first instinct as white is this:

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[go]$$Wcm51
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . . O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . X O O . O X . O . X X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X 2 . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . O 3 O X . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Post by Koroviev »

illluck wrote:
Not sure about Kirby's variation - my first instinct as white is this:

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[go]$$Wcm51
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . . O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . X O O . O X . O . X X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X 2 . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . O 3 O X . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Doesn't white have to give up two stones if he plays like that? It doesn't seem like a great sacrifice...what am I missing?

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$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . O X 5 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X O 4 X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . . O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . X O O 2 O X . O . X X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X X 1 3 . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . O O O X . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , 5 . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . O X 4 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . . O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . X O O 2 O X . O . X X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X X 1 3 . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . O O O X . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . . O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . X O O 3 O X . O . X X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X X 1 2 . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . O O O X . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


On second thoughts, maybe White has not really lost anything in the above variation, as he is still connected?
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Post by EdLee »

Koroviev,
Koroviev wrote:maybe White has not really lost anything in the above variation, as he is still connected?
Correct; you've answered your own question. :)
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Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Post by Harleqin »

White has other things to worry about right now. I think that he might have to discard his central stones to save the group on the lower side.
A good system naturally covers all corner cases without further effort.
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Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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[go]$$Wcm51
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
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$$ | . . X . O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . . O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . X O O . O X . O . X X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X X 3 . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . O . O X . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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