115 - robinz v. 1986

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Re: 115 - robinz v. 1986

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I was kinda hoping to see robinz looking at this:

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[go]$$Bc White threats?
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O 4 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . 5 O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . O X . X X O O O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . X X O O X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O X X O . . X X X |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . O . . O . O X O O 1 |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X 6 |
$$ | . O X O O O O . . . . . . . X . X O 3 |
$$ | . O X X . X X X . . . . . X . X O O O |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , O . X 7 X X X O 9 |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . X O O O X O X |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O O X X O O O . |
$$ | . . O . X X X X . X . . . O X O X O O |
$$ | . O O . X O O X O . . . . O X X X X O |
$$ | X X O X . . . O X X . . O . O X . X O |
$$ | . . X O O O . . O , . . . O 2 X 0 X X |
$$ | X X X O X O . . . . O . . O . O X X . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . O X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 O O . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


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[go]$$Bc White threats?
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 5 O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . X O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . O X . X X O O O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . X X O O X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O X X O . . X X X |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . O . . O . O X C C X |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X 4 |
$$ | . O X O O O O . . . . . . . X . X O 7 |
$$ | . O X X . X X X . . . . . X . X O O O |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , O . X X X X X O C |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . X O O O X O 3 |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O O X X O O O 2 |
$$ | . . O . X X X X . X . . . O X O X O O |
$$ | . O O . X O O X O . . . . O X X X X O |
$$ | X X O X . . . O X X . . O . O X . X O |
$$ | . . X O O O . . O , . . . O O X O X X |
$$ | X X X O X O . . . . O . . O . O X X . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . O X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O 6 |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


:b1: @ :b7:

Does White have any threats any more?

Although, is Black is just behind if something like:

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[go]$$Bc What happens now ?
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . 0 7 . . X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 9 8 O X . X O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . O X . X X O O O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . a . X X O O X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O X X O . . X X X |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . O . . O . O X . . X |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . O X O O O O . . . . . . . X . X . 1 |
$$ | . O X X . X X X . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . a X , X . . . . , O . X X X X X . 3 |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . X . . . X . X |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X X X 5 X . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O . X O O X O 4 6 . . O X X X X . |
$$ | X X O X . . . O X X . . O . O X . X . |
$$ | . . X O O O . . O 2 . . . O O X O X X |
$$ | X X X O X O . . . . O . . O . O X X . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . O X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O O |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


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[go]$$Bc What happens now ?
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O X . X O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . O X . X X O O O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O . X 2 1 3 X X O O X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O X X O . . X X X |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . O . . O . O X . . X |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . O X O O O O . . . . . . . X . X . X |
$$ | . O X X . X X X . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , O . X X X X X . X |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . X . . . X . X |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X X X X X . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O . X O O X O O O . . O X X X X . |
$$ | X X O X . . . O X X . . O . O X . X . |
$$ | . . X O O O . . O O . . . O O X O X X |
$$ | X X X O X O . . . . O . . O . O X X . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . O X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O O |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


or

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[go]$$Bc What happens now ?
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . 7 . . X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 8 9 O X . X O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . O X . X X O O O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . X X O O X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O X X O . . X X X |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . O . . O . O X . . X |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . O X O O O O . . . . . . . X . X . 1 |
$$ | . O X X . X X X . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . a X , X . . . . , O . X X X X X . 3 |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . X . . . X . X |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X X X 5 X . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O . X O O X O 4 6 . . O X X X X . |
$$ | X X O X . . . O X X . . O . O X . X . |
$$ | . . X O O O . . O 2 . . . O O X O X X |
$$ | X X X O X O . . . . O . . O . O X X . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . O X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O O |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


or

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[go]$$Bc What happens now ?
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . 8 7 . . X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . X O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . O X . X X O O O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O . X 0 9 1 X X O O X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O X X O . . X X X |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . O . . O . O X . . X |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . O X O O O O . . . . . . . X . X . 1 |
$$ | . O X X . X X X . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . a X , X . . . . , O . X X X X X . 3 |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . X . . . X . X |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X X X 5 X . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O . X O O X O 4 6 . . O X X X X . |
$$ | X X O X . . . O X X . . O . O X . X . |
$$ | . . X O O O . . O 2 . . . O O X O X X |
$$ | X X X O X O . . . . O . . O . O X X . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . O X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O O |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
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Re: 115 - robinz v. 1986

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[go]$$Wcm172 Prisoner Count :w4: :b2:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . O X . X X O O O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . X X O O X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O X X O . . X X X |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . O . . O . O X O O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . O X O O O O . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . O X X . X X X . . . . . X . X O O O |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , O . X X X X X O . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . X O O O X O X |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O O X X O O O . |
$$ | . . O . X X X X . X . . . O X O X O O |
$$ | . O O . X O O X O . . . . O X X X X O |
$$ | X X O X . . . O X X . . O . O X . X O |
$$ | . . X O O O . . O , . . . O 1 X . X X |
$$ | X X X O X O . . . . O . . O . O X X . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . O X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


Cool lets go!

take a liberty, why this one? well 
he can take p4 in sente so im removing that option from him
, this ko fight dosen't look to good for me i have to make sure my threats are big enough to keep it going so thats what im doing now,
*thinking*
standing still means going backwards
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Re: 115 - robinz v. 1986

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[go]$$Bcm173 Prisoner Count :w4: :b2:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . O X . X X O O O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . X X O O X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O X X O . . X X X |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . O . . O . O X O O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . O X O O O O . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . O X X . X X X . . . . . X . X O O O |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , O . X X X X X O 1 |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . X O O O X O X |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O O X X O O O . |
$$ | . . O . X X X X . X . . . O X O X O O |
$$ | . O O . X O O X O . . . . O X X X X O |
$$ | X X O X . . . O X X . . O . O X . X O |
$$ | . . X O O O . . O , . . . O O X . X X |
$$ | X X X O X O . . . . O . . O . O X X . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . O X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


The one-way street it is, then.
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Re: 115 - robinz v. 1986

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[go]$$Wcm174 :b4: :w2:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . O X . X X O O O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . X X O O X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O X X O . . X X X |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . O . . O . O X O O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . O X O O O O . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . O X X . X X X . . . . . X . X O O O |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , O . X X X X X O X |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . X O O O X O X |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O O X X O O O . |
$$ | . . O . X X X X . X . . . O X O X O O |
$$ | . O O . X O O X O . . . . O X X X X O |
$$ | X X O X . . . O X X . . O . O X . X O |
$$ | . . X O O O . . O , . . . O O X . X X |
$$ | X X X O X O . . . . O . . O . O X X . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . O X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O O . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


now i can play t1, after this i assume he is going to start the ko 
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Re: 115 - robinz v. 1986

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[go]$$Bcm175 prisoners: :b2: :w6:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . O X . X X O O O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . X X O O X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O X X O . . X X X |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . O . . O . O X . . 1 |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . O X O O O O . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . O X X . X X X . . . . . X . X O O O |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , O . X X X X X O X |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . X O O O X O X |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O O X X O O O . |
$$ | . . O . X X X X . X . . . O X O X O O |
$$ | . O O . X O O X O . . . . O X X X X O |
$$ | X X O X . . . O X X . . O . O X . X O |
$$ | . . X O O O . . O , . . . O O X . X X |
$$ | X X X O X O . . . . O . . O . O X X . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . O X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


I'm getting pessimistic again - I'm seeing plenty more huge ko threats for white (for example either atari on the D5 stone, or B8 (or similar in that area) threatening to connect out. And I expect white will get to follow up on one of these ko threats. Oh well, it's a one-way road for now, so let's at least play it out and then see if anything turns up.
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Re: 115 - robinz v. 1986

Post by EdLee »

robinz (after this fight),
robinz wrote:I'm getting pessimistic again - I'm seeing plenty more huge ko threats for white
Yes, of course, this ko is a very bad result for B. After the game you can read the hidden comments
to see where you went wrong. One of your "no thinking" moves was a culprit. :)
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Re: 115 - robinz v. 1986

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[go]$$Wcm176 Prisoner Count :b4: :w2:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . O X . X X O O O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . X X O O X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O X X O . . X X X |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . O . . O . O X . . X |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . O X O O O O . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . O X X . X X X . . . . . X . X O O O |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , O . X X X X X O X |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . X O O O X O X |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O O X X O O O . |
$$ | . . O . X X X X . X . . . O X O X O O |
$$ | . O O . X O O X O . . . . O X X X X O |
$$ | X X O X . . . O X X . . O . O X . X O |
$$ | . . X O O O . . O , . . . O O X . X X |
$$ | X X X O X O . . . . O . . O . O X X . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . O X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O 1 |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


here goes nothing, i got my ko threats ready and my spirit is up today
standing still means going backwards
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Re: 115 - robinz v. 1986

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Can you please stop messing with the prisoner count? :)

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[go]$$Bcm177 Prisoner Count :w7: :b2:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . O X . X X O O O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . X X O O X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O X X O . . X X X |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . O . . O . O X . . X |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . O X O O O O . . . . . . . X . X O 1 |
$$ | . O X X . X X X . . . . . X . X O O O |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , O . X X X X X O X |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . X O O O X O X |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O O X X O O O . |
$$ | . . O . X X X X . X . . . O X O X O O |
$$ | . O O . X O O X O . . . . O X X X X O |
$$ | X X O X . . . O X X . . O . O X . X O |
$$ | . . X O O O . . O , . . . O O X . X X |
$$ | X X X O X O . . . . O . . O . O X X . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . O X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O O |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


And so the ko, probably my last chance saloon (in that, at the moment, I think I need my opponent to make a huge mistake, which I'm not expecting - although I await with interest reading Ed Lee's comments after the game :)), begins...
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robinz wrote:Can you please stop messing with the prisoner count? :)
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Re: 115 - robinz v. 1986

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[go]$$Wcm178 Prisoner Count :b7: :w2:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . 1 . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . O X . X X O O O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . X X O O X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O X X O . . X X X |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . O . . O . O X . . X |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . O X O O O O . . . . . . . X . X O X |
$$ | . O X X . X X X . . . . . X . X O O O |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , O . X X X X X O X |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . X O O O X O X |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O O X X O O O . |
$$ | . . O . X X X X . X . . . O X O X O O |
$$ | . O O . X O O X O . . . . O X X X X O |
$$ | X X O X . . . O X X . . O . O X . X O |
$$ | . . X O O O . . O , . . . O O X . X X |
$$ | X X X O X O . . . . O . . O . O X X . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . O X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O O |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


ko threat number 1, he is definitely going to answer here my follow up k19 will kill his group
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Re: 115 - robinz v. 1986

Post by Loons »

I'd take, at least in a timed game where I only have as long to think as I've just spent. Looks like a smaller ko starts around H16 (which must be regarded as some kind of success). White's biggest threat was/is C2.

Now I'm sure we'll hear the real state of affairs from ez4u :)
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Re: 115 - robinz v. 1986

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Loons wrote:
I'd take, at least in a timed game where I only have as long to think as I've just spent. Looks like a smaller ko starts around H16 (which must be regarded as some kind of success). White's biggest threat was/is C2.

Now I'm sure we'll hear the real state of affairs from ez4u :)


Nope! I had a quick look and took 1986's word for it = the last thing any Go player should do :oops:
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Re: 115 - robinz v. 1986

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Um, you did it again. I presume by accident, but I'm not sure how you can flip the colours by accident :-? ...

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[go]$$Bcm178 Prisoner Count :w7: :b2:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . O 1 . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . O X . X X O O O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . X X O O X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O X X O . . X X X |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . O . . O . O X . . X |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . O X O O O O . . . . . . . X . X O X |
$$ | . O X X . X X X . . . . . X . X O O O |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , O . X X X X X O X |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . X O O O X O X |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O O X X O O O . |
$$ | . . O . X X X X . X . . . O X O X O O |
$$ | . O O . X O O X O . . . . O X X X X O |
$$ | X X O X . . . O X X . . O . O X . X O |
$$ | . . X O O O . . O , . . . O O X . X X |
$$ | X X X O X O . . . . O . . O . O X X . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . O X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O O |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


Hmm, OK, I expected a ko threat in that region of the board, but hadn't thought of that precise one. Of course I must respond. I considered a few responses for a while, including K18 and L18, but all left follow-up ko threats, so I figured I might as well pick the one that looks best from the point of view of endgame points. The problem I have with this move - as with all the other responses I considered - is that I don't think I can remove all future white ko threats in the region in just one more move. On the other hand, capturing J19, if I get to do it, threatens to perhaps save F17, and if I can do that I may be able to afford giving up the N18 chain. Probably not, but I welcome complications of this kind when I think that, if we just have a normal ko fight, I'm destined to lose (the game, I mean).
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Re: 115 - robinz v. 1986

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[go]$$Wcm180 Prisoner Count :b7: :w3:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . O X . X X O O O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . X X O O X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O X X O . . X X X |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . O . . O . O X . . X |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X 1 |
$$ | . O X O O O O . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . O X X . X X X . . . . . X . X O O O |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , O . X X X X X O X |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . X O O O X O X |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O O X X O O O . |
$$ | . . O . X X X X . X . . . O X O X O O |
$$ | . O O . X O O X O . . . . O X X X X O |
$$ | X X O X . . . O X X . . O . O X . X O |
$$ | . . X O O O . . O , . . . O O X . X X |
$$ | X X X O X O . . . . O . . O . O X X . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . O X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O O |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


you got the colors wrong for your count this is right though i guarantee it

retake the ko here, this is getting interesting,
now he has to play or ko threat or tenuki, personally i would play p2 as B
standing still means going backwards
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Re: 115 - robinz v. 1986

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[go]$$Wcm178 Prisoner Count
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . 1 3 8 O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X 0 9 O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X 7 O X . X X O O O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O . X 5 4 6 X X O O X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O X X O . . X X X |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . O . . O . O X . . X |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . O X O O O O . . . . . . . X . X O X |
$$ | . O X X . X X X . . . . . X . X O O O |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , O . X X X X X O X |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . X O O O X O X |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O O X X O O O 2 |
$$ | . . O . X X X X . X . . . O X O X O O |
$$ | . O O . X O O X O . . . . O X X X X O |
$$ | X X O X . . . O X X . . O . O X . X O |
$$ | . . X O O O . . O , . . . O O X . X X |
$$ | X X X O X O . . . . O . . O . O X X . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . O X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O O |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm178 Prisoner Count
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . 1 3 7 O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 0 O X . . O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X 8 O X . X X O O O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O . X 5 4 6 X X O O X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . 9 O . . O X X O . . X X X |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . O . . O . O X . . X |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . O X O O O O . . . . . . . X . X O X |
$$ | . O X X . X X X . . . . . X . X O O O |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , O . X X X X X O X |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . X O O O X O X |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O O X X O O O 2 |
$$ | . . O . X X X X . X . . . O X O X O O |
$$ | . O O . X O O X O . . . . O X X X X O |
$$ | X X O X . . . O X X . . O . O X . X O |
$$ | . . X O O O . . O , . . . O O X . X X |
$$ | X X X O X O . . . . O . . O . O X X . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . O X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O O |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm188 Prisoner Count
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . 4 1 O O O O 6 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O X 2 . O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X X O X . X X O O O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O . X O X X X X O O X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O 3 5 O X X O . . X X X |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . O . . O . O X . . X |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . O X O O O O . . . . . . . X . X O X |
$$ | . O X X . X X X . . . . . X . X O O O |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , O . X X X X X O X |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . X O O O X O X |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O O X X O O O X |
$$ | . . O . X X X X . X . . . O X O X O O |
$$ | . O O . X O O X O . . . . O X X X X O |
$$ | X X O X . . . O X X . . O . O X . X O |
$$ | . . X O O O . . O , . . . O O X . X X |
$$ | X X X O X O . . . . O . . O . O X X . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . O X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O O |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm178 Prisoner Count
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . 1 3 . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 0 O X . . O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X 8 O X . X X O O O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O . X 7 4 6 X X O O X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . 9 O 5 . O X X O . . X X X |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . O . . O . O X . . X |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . O X O O O O . . . . . . . X . X O X |
$$ | . O X X . X X X . . . . . X . X O O O |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , O . X X X X X O X |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . X O O O X O X |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O O X X O O O 2 |
$$ | . . O . X X X X . X . . . O X O X O O |
$$ | . O O . X O O X O . . . . O X X X X O |
$$ | X X O X . . . O X X . . O . O X . X O |
$$ | . . X O O O . . O , . . . O O X . X X |
$$ | X X X O X O . . . . O . . O . O X X . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . O X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O O |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm188 Prisoner Count
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . 4 1 O O 5 O 6 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O X 2 . O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X X O X . X X O O O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O . X O X X X X O O X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O O 3 O X X O . . X X X |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . O . . O . O X . . X |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . O X O O O O . . . . . . . X . X O X |
$$ | . O X X . X X X . . . . . X . X O O O |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , O . X X X X X O X |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . X O O O X O X |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O O X X O O O X |
$$ | . . O . X X X X . X . . . O X O X O O |
$$ | . O O . X O O X O . . . . O X X X X O |
$$ | X X O X . . . O X X . . O . O X . X O |
$$ | . . X O O O . . O , . . . O O X . X X |
$$ | X X X O X O . . . . O . . O . O X X . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . O X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O O |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


Is there even a ko? (And yes, I looked at W90 at G19... doesn't seem to work, though: B fills in one more liberty, then responds to f19 at e18, or f18 with L18.)
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