122. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . 1 . . . . . X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . O . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X O O . . . . . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . O , X . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
i will be patient and wait. i know i have him in the bag and dont want to let him go.
if he choose to capture my group...it is not free. he will have to endure the aji in the corner...
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[go]$$Wcm81
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . 3 . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . 1 . . . . . X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O X X . . |
$$ | . . 2 X . X . . . . O . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X O O . . . . . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . O , X . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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[go]$$Wcm81
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O X X . . |
$$ | . . 2 X . X . . . . O . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X O O . . . . . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . O , X . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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[go]$$Wcm81
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . 3 . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X O O . . . . . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . O , X . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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[go]$$Wcm81
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . 4 X , . . . . . , . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X O O . . . . . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . O , X . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
This move is to make my group in the top left live. I believe all of my groups will be alive, now. I just have to make sure that he doesn't get too many points in the middle and top, and I should be "home free".
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Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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[go]$$Wcm81
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X , . . . . . , . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . 5 O O . O . . . . . X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X O O . . . . . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . O , X . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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@Kirby
Top seems to be developing clearer form since you played M15, 15 moves ago. How are your plans with respect to top evolving?
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Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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Loons wrote:@Kirby
Top seems to be developing clearer form since you played M15, 15 moves ago. How are your plans with respect to top evolving?
@Loons:
Well, M15 was to run out more; I need to keep an eye on the safety of the group. I think that white could get more points on the top by pressuring my group.

For example:
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . W . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X , . . . . . , . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X O O . . . . . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . O , X . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
So I think white has the advantage in the area since he has forcing moves. I just hope he doesn't get too many points from it.
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Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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[go]$$Wcm81
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X , . . . . . , . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . O O O . O . . . . . X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O X X . . |
$$ | 6 . X X . X . . . . O . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X O O . . . . . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . O , X . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I want to keep that side stone captured so that I don't have to worry about eyespace. He may play inside to force me to eventually capture, but I don't know what I can really do about that.

I played this move instead of one move to the right, because it threatens a connection.
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Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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[go]$$Wcm81
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | 7 X X , . . . . . , . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . O O O . O . . . . . X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O X X . . |
$$ | X . X X . X . . . . O . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X O O . . . . . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . O , X . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 0 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 8 . . . X . O . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | 7 X X , . . . . . , . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | 9 O O O . O . . . . . X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O X X . . |
$$ | X . X X . X . . . . O . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X O O . . . . . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . O , X . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Wcm91
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . X . O . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | O X X , . . . . . , . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | O O O O . O . . . . . X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O X X . . |
$$ | X . X X . X . . . . O . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X O O . . . . . X . . . O 1 . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . O , X . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . X . O . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | O X X , . . . . . , . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | O O O O . O . . . . . X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O X X . . |
$$ | X . X X . X 6 . . . O . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X O O . . . . . X . . . O 1 . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . O , X . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X 4 O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O 2 . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 O O 5 X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . X . O . . . . . . . 2 O X . . |
$$ | O X X , . . . . . , . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | O O O O . O . . . . . X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O X X . . |
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Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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For Kirby again:
Why this and not another local move, like Q18?
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Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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Loons wrote:For Kirby again:
Why this and not another local move, like Q18?
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Presuming I can capture the stone (i.e. I haven't messed up), I would prefer to capture it rather than not capture it.

However, now that you mention it, if Q18 gives me sente and this one does not, perhaps I should have considered it.
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