128. Dusk Eagle vs Psychee

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[go]$$Bcm30
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . O . . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . , O X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Heh, he likes this kind of move. It's the seconde time in this game.

My initial thought is the invade in between his 3 spaces jump. Then I think maybe i could enforce myself a bit stronger on the right first?

Or just let's twist groups?

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[go]$$Bcm30
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . O . . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . , O X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 2 O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



And as usual. I may not be able to play during the weekend. :)
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No problem :).

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[go]$$Wcm31
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . O . . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . , O X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I wasn't expecting that. I thought this would be a rather calm side. Now, it looks like a huge fight is about to break out.

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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . O . . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . , O X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , 3 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 2 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This is what I expect to happen, but he has other options.


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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . O . . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . , O X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . 4 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . 3 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 2 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Note that if he plays :b3: here, :w4: connects.

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . O . . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . , O X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . 8 7 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 5 X 9 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 4 3 O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 2 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I considered playing :w1: instead, but the result through to :b10: is a failure for me.
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No understanding of what is now, no knowledge of what will be.
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[go]$$Bcm32
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . O . . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . , O X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


As planned, hmm, too lazy to think on monday morning...
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[go]$$Wcm33
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . O . . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . , O X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 1 X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I'm wedging because I believe it gives me the option to connect underneath with :w5: below at some point.

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . O . . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . , O X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . 5 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . 4 2 , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 1 X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

If I simply extend to :w3: and he connects at :w1:, I think my ability to play :w5: to connect is somewhat hampered.

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . O . . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . , O X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O 0 8 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . d b X 6 3 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . c a 5 4 9 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 2 X . 7 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Having said that, I have this nagging feeling that extending instead of wedging is actually better. I'm really not sure here.
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[go]$$Bcm34
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . O . . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . , O X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Hmm, I don't see why he wedged but not nobi? Maybe he wants to have a backup play to connect on the third line?
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[go]$$Wcm35
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . O . . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . , O X . X . X . 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I considered just connecting my two groups for this move, but I need to be more active. This move helps me to stabilize my top-right group while taking away points from him. Though he can prevent me from making an eye in the corner, he must accept me gouging out the entire corner in sente in order to do so.

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[go]$$Bcm34
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . O . . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . , O X a X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Depending on how things go here, I can still aim for the push-and-cut at 'a' in the future.
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[go]$$Bcm36
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . O . . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . , O X . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I have an impulse to play P8 when I saw the surprising move 35 at S16. Implusion causes mistakes, so I have to sit back and read.





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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . O . . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . , O X . X . X 3 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . 4 X 2 5 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Yes he wants to get a base for his top group first. If I descend, he will play R16, I connect, and he connects. Then I get sente to do P8. That is perfect.




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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . O . . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . , O X . X . X . 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . 6 , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X P X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 7 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

If he tenukis and plays somewhere around P8, do I have time to tenuki there and 'eat' his move 35? I guess with 2 weak groups on lower side, I won't have free time to do so.





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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . O . . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . , O X . X . X . 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O 0 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 4 X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . 8 3 5 6 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O Y 7 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

:bt:= :w9:
Now if I play P8, making him a dumpling will be nice but gote.





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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . O . . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . , O X . X . X . 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . 4 , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X P X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 5 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

He may also be happy to give this stone to me by ataring from outside. Ponuki is good, but with Q11 and N11, it just looks like I've wasted two moves.




Last question: Are there any dreadful weakness in my corner group, If I tenuki? Say around P15...? Looks so far so good...

So let's do P8 first. And concerning the question I had last time, did he wedge there to get a sente in the corner?
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[go]$$Wcm37
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . O . . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . , O X . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Bcm38 Prisoners: :b100: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . O . . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . , O X . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . 1 , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



Connecting gives him another sente in atariing Q9, even though capturing the stone is not that efficient, I think this may be the only choice.
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[go]$$Wcm39 Prisoners: :b100: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . O . . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . , O X . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm40 Prisoners: :b100: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . O . . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . , O X . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


There is no hurry to play anywhere around the ko area.
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[go]$$Wcm41 Prisoners: :b100: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . O . . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . , O X . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . 1 . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Not too happy about my position right now, but we'll see if I can manage it. This move secures the bottom group, now I just need to somehow deal with my middle group.
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[go]$$Bcm42 Prisoners: :b100: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . O . . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . , O X . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



I now feel very confused with the kos. How can I valuation if it worths to play or not. And White move at 41 is perfect shape. Is then move 40 too slow?
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Re: 128. Dusk Eagle vs Psychee

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@Dusk Eagle
If you *had* to play black 10 and also 30 (say you'd reached a similar position against a seven dan in a handicap game), where would you? (short sequence appreciated). (Alternately, whether you felt it was an appropriate punishment for a preceding mistake (eg. you would have preferred 8 @K17, as you said)).

Also, I only just noticed your 1000th post, pretty quality stuff.

Not for players;
I feel like Psychee forgot about the giant leftern moyo, which has been in place since :b24: . However I don't feel strong enough to comment myself on how black's play in the bottom right/right should have taken that into account (just in case someone else wants to take up that cross).
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[go]$$Wcm43 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . O . . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . , O X . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 1 X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Sometimes it's better to play at O7 rather than capture, but I think here this move is better (it leaves me a bunch of possible ataries on his stones). If I were him, my next move would be N7.


@Loons:
I would have played :b10: just like he did, but I like the result white got on the top side (considering black started with control of both the top corners), though I feel I somehow could have done slightly better, run-on sentence ftw. That's why I would have preferred as black to play :b8: at K17.

Regarding :b30:, I don't normally consider playing a move like Q9 when I have a stone like Q6, but I didn't say it was bad. This result on the right actually seems pretty good for him right now, though whether that's because :b30: is great or because of an error on my part (such as :w33:) is hard for me to say.

To be honest, I'm not sure what I would have done if I was black at move 30. I would find it rather awkward to handle, which is the reason I played :w29: in the first place.
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