115 - robinz v. 1986

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Re: 115 - robinz v. 1986

Post by Dusk Eagle »

It's a small thing, but move 212 is one of those moves that you can really itch to play, but is really just a wasted ko threat.
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Post by EdLee »

Robinz,
Redundant wrote:I'm much too lazy to count this, but I hope you'll do (and post!) a precise count before resigning.
I agree with Redundant. At this level, fight to the bitter end, if for nothing else you may still get nice notes for your yose. :)
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Post by EdLee »

At this level, still early for B to resign. B may be able to get a ko or even live outright at C17. :)
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Post by EdLee »

Dusk Eagle wrote:It's a small thing, but move 212 is...a wasted ko threat.
All these "small" things and bad habits, etc. add up and eventually come back to bite us,
and are one reason we're "stuck" at our levels, whatever they are.
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Re: 115 - robinz v. 1986

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Apologies for the delay - I hadn't meant for it to be so long :)

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[go]$$Bcm215 Prisoner Count :w35: :b13:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . X O X . . O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . O X . X X O O O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . 1 . X X O O X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X O . . O . . X X X |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . O . O O . O X . . X |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . O X O O O O . . . . . . . X . X . X |
$$ | . O X X . X X X . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , O . X X X X X . X |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . X . . . X . X |
$$ | . X X O . . . . O O . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | X X . X X X X X O X . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . X X O O X O . . . . O X X X X . |
$$ | X X . X . . . O X X . . O . O X . X . |
$$ | X . X O O O . . O , . . . O O X O X X |
$$ | X X X O . O . . . . O . . O . O X X . |
$$ | X O O . . O . . . . . . . . . O X O X |
$$ | O . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O O O |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


Well, in all honesty I still think I could resign with a perfectly clear conscience - I have counted in more detail and, taking komi into account, I'm about 20 behind at best :sad: But I wouldn't want to let Ed down, so I'm continuing :lol: Seriously, he's right - you never know what might turn up. Although I'm basically going to need to kill something that I have absolutely no right to (or live with J5, which, despite many desperate attempts in my reading, is sadly impossible in the cold light of day), if I'm going to somehow pull off a win here.

I'm not sure where best to play, though (I doubt my endgame is good enough, even for my very modest rank, to be worthy of the plaudits Ed mentions, but I guess we'll see ;-)). In the end I went with this capture, which is fairly big in itself, and also may lead to some followups in the general area. Not that I can see anything concrete unless 1986 chooses to tenuki 2 or 3 times :lol: The problem with this move is that it's gote for both sides :sad: I strongly considered Q18, which is at least reverse sente, but I decided this move is sufficiently big to be worth playing despite it being gote (I believe the rule of thumb is that sente or reverse sente plays are worth twice as much as gote ones, but Q18 is essentially a 1-point move and this is worth at least 4).

I reserve the right to resign in a few moves' time if nothing good has happened, though. I see little point in playing on "just to practise my endgame" when there is no chance of actually winning. But I'm going to give it at least a few more moves. After all, we have already seen in this game that fights can break out at any time :lol:
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Re: 115 - robinz v. 1986

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[go]$$Wcm216 Prisoner Count :w35: :b13:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . X O X . . O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . O X . X X O O O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X . X X O O X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X O . . O . . X X X |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . O . O O . O X . . X |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . O X O O O O . . . . . . . X . X . X |
$$ | . O X X . X X X . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , O . X X X X X . X |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . X . . . X . X |
$$ | . X X O . . . . O O . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | X X . X X X X X O X . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . X X O O X O . . . . O X X X X . |
$$ | X X . X . . . O X X . . O . O X . X . |
$$ | X . X O O O . 1 O , . . . O O X O X X |
$$ | X X X O . O . . . . O . . O . O X X . |
$$ | X O O . . O . . . . . . . . . O X O X |
$$ | O . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O O O |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


No problem about the delay, i had a busy work week w/o internet so i couldn't have made a move anyway, but the good news is now i have a brand new laptop w/ internet access so now i can stay on top of it :D

that move is not sente so im going to reinforce this weak spot its been looking at me for a while now and i got a feeling he would haved played it next if i played elsewhere
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Post by EdLee »

1986 wrote:i have a brand new laptop w/ internet access
Congrats. :)
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Re: 115 - robinz v. 1986

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[go]$$Bcm217 Prisoner Count :w35: :b13:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . X O X . . O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . O X . X X O O O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X . X X O O X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . 1 O . X O . . O . . X X X |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . O . O O . O X . . X |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . O X O O O O . . . . . . . X . X . X |
$$ | . O X X . X X X . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , O . X X X X X . X |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . X . . . X . X |
$$ | . X X O . . . . O O . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | X X . X X X X X O X . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . X X O O X O . . . . O X X X X . |
$$ | X X . X . . . O X X . . O . O X . X . |
$$ | X . X O O O . O O , . . . O O X O X X |
$$ | X X X O . O . . . . O . . O . O X X . |
$$ | X O O . . O . . . . . . . . . O X O X |
$$ | O . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O O O |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


OK, well I'll continue in this area and see what I can get...
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Re: 115 - robinz v. 1986

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[go]$$Wcm218 Prisoner Count :w35: :b13:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . X O X . . O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 . O X . O X . X X O O O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X . X X O O X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . X O . . O . . X X X |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . O . O O . O X . . X |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . O X O O O O . . . . . . . X . X . X |
$$ | . O X X . X X X . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , O . X X X X X . X |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . X . . . X . X |
$$ | . X X O . . . . O O . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | X X . X X X X X O X . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . X X O O X O . . . . O X X X X . |
$$ | X X . X . . . O X X . . O . O X . X . |
$$ | X . X O O O . O O , . . . O O X O X X |
$$ | X X X O . O . . . . O . . O . O X X . |
$$ | X O O . . O . . . . . . . . . O X O X |
$$ | O . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O O O |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


hmmn... i like that move its a natural way to move out and it damages my one stone, :scratch: , i really dont know where to play here i was thinking keep pressing the center but c17 is a pretty big point for black again, and this eliminates me having to worry about how to defend the 3-3 invasion, my last two moves have been just patching up my areas of worry, now im ready to attack! :rambo:
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Re: 115 - robinz v. 1986

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[go]$$Bcm219 Prisoner Count :w35: :b13:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . X O X . . O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O X . O X . X X O O O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X . X X O O X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . X O . . O . . X X X |
$$ | . . O . O . . 1 . O . O O . O X . . X |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . O X O O O O . . . . . . . X . X . X |
$$ | . O X X . X X X . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , O . X X X X X . X |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . X . . . X . X |
$$ | . X X O . . . . O O . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | X X . X X X X X O X . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . X X O O X O . . . . O X X X X . |
$$ | X X . X . . . O X X . . O . O X . X . |
$$ | X . X O O O . O O , . . . O O X O X X |
$$ | X X X O . O . . . . O . . O . O X X . |
$$ | X O O . . O . . . . . . . . . O X O X |
$$ | O . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O O O |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


Hmm, I suppose I can't blame him for playing safely given the lead he has, but that move looks to me like -1 point in gote :-? A few more of those, and I might be back in with a chance... (unless the 3-3 invasion actually worked for me, in which case I feel stupid as it's been there for ages. But surely there's no way I could have got anything in that corner other than outright death?)

I guess I'll continue my expansion from this position and gobble up another white stone.
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Re: 115 - robinz v. 1986

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[go]$$Wcm220 Prisoner Count :w35: :b13:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . X O X . . O X X X 1 . . . |
$$ | . . O . O X . O X . X X O O O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X . X X O O X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . X O . . O . . X X X |
$$ | . . O . O . . X . O . O O . O X . . X |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . O X O O O O . . . . . . . X . X . X |
$$ | . O X X . X X X . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , O . X X X X X . X |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . X . . . X . X |
$$ | . X X O . . . . O O . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | X X . X X X X X O X . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . X X O O X O . . . . O X X X X . |
$$ | X X . X . . . O X X . . O . O X . X . |
$$ | X . X O O O . O O , . . . O O X O X X |
$$ | X X X O . O . . . . O . . O . O X X . |
$$ | X O O . . O . . . . . . . . . O X O X |
$$ | O . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O O O |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


this seems like the biggest point on the board right now
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Re: 115 - robinz v. 1986

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[go]$$Bcm221 Prisoner Count :w35: :b13:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . X O X . 1 O X X X O . . . |
$$ | . . O . O X . O X . X X O O O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X . X X O O X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . X O . . O . . X X X |
$$ | . . O . O . . X . O . O O . O X . . X |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . O X O O O O . . . . . . . X . X . X |
$$ | . O X X . X X X . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , O . X X X X X . X |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . X . . . X . X |
$$ | . X X O . . . . O O . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | X X . X X X X X O X . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . X X O O X O . . . . O X X X X . |
$$ | X X . X . . . O X X . . O . O X . X . |
$$ | X . X O O O . O O , . . . O O X O X X |
$$ | X X X O . O . . . . O . . O . O X X . |
$$ | X O O . . O . . . . . . . . . O X O X |
$$ | O . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O O O |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


I wondered when he was going to take that sente. Oh well, I must submit.
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Re: 115 - robinz v. 1986

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[go]$$Wcm222 Prisoner Count :w35: :b13:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . O . . 1 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . X O X . X O X X X O . . . |
$$ | . . O . O X . O X . X X O O O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X . X X O O X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . X O . . O . . X X X |
$$ | . . O . O . . X . O . O O . O X . . X |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . O X O O O O . . . . . . . X . X . X |
$$ | . O X X . X X X . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , O . X X X X X . X |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . X . . . X . X |
$$ | . X X O . . . . O O . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | X X . X X X X X O X . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . X X O O X O . . . . O X X X X . |
$$ | X X . X . . . O X X . . O . O X . X . |
$$ | X . X O O O . O O , . . . O O X O X X |
$$ | X X X O . O . . . . O . . O . O X X . |
$$ | X O O . . O . . . . . . . . . O X O X |
$$ | O . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O O O |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


i can go ahead and close up this territory in sente
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Re: 115 - robinz v. 1986

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[go]$$Bcm223 Prisoner Count :w35: :b13:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X 1 O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . X O X . X O X X X O . . . |
$$ | . . O . O X . O X . X X O O O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X . X X O O X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . X O . . O . . X X X |
$$ | . . O . O . . X . O . O O . O X . . X |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . O X O O O O . . . . . . . X . X . X |
$$ | . O X X . X X X . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , O . X X X X X . X |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . X . . . X . X |
$$ | . X X O . . . . O O . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | X X . X X X X X O X . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . X X O O X O . . . . O X X X X . |
$$ | X X . X . . . O X X . . O . O X . X . |
$$ | X . X O O O . O O , . . . O O X O X X |
$$ | X X X O . O . . . . O . . O . O X X . |
$$ | X O O . . O . . . . . . . . . O X O X |
$$ | O . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O O O |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


Forced, again. What, you expected an interesting comment over as obvious a move as this? ;-)
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Re: 115 - robinz v. 1986

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[go]$$Wcm224 Prisoner Count :w35: :b13:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . X O X . X O X X X O . . . |
$$ | . . O . O X . O X . X X O O O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X . X X O O X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . X O . . O . . X X X |
$$ | . . O . O . . X . O . O O . O X . . X |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . O X O O O O . . . . . . . X . X . X |
$$ | . O X X . X X X . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . 1 X , X . . . . , O . X X X X X . X |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . X . . . X . X |
$$ | . X X O . . . . O O . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | X X . X X X X X O X . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . X X O O X O . . . . O X X X X . |
$$ | X X . X . . . O X X . . O . O X . X . |
$$ | X . X O O O . O O , . . . O O X O X X |
$$ | X X X O . O . . . . O . . O . O X X . |
$$ | X O O . . O . . . . . . . . . O X O X |
$$ | O . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O O O |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


if black would have played here i would have had to defend so this removes a worry and gets easy points on the side
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