#134 dabird vs sevis

dabird · Post by **dabird** » Sun Jul 31, 2011 9:29 pm

EdLee wrote:For Chew Terr and both players.
The lower right corner shape at happened in my self-paired game with Chew Terr
this afternoon at U.S. Go Congress, except it was one line higher:
$$B
$$ . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . , O . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . O . . . |
$$ . . . X X O . . |
$$ . . . . . O . . |
$$ . . O X X 1 . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . |
$$------------------

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[go]$$B $$ . . . . . . . . | $$ . . . . , O . . | $$ . . . . . . . . | $$ . . . . . . . . | $$ . . . . O . . . | $$ . . . X X O . . | $$ . . . . . O . . | $$ . . O X X 1 . . | $$ . . . . . . . . | $$ . . . . . . . . | $$ . . . . . . . . | $$------------------[/go]
I even mumbled to Chew Terr at that point that I had just recently seen it
in a Malkovich game on L19!

Very cool! I hope it was ok for me to peek at this message! I don't know why it was hidden.
Cheers,
-D

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Sun Jul 31, 2011 10:46 pm

dabird wrote:I don't know why it was hidden.

To save space and to have something for everybody to click.

Sevis · Post by **Sevis** » Sun Jul 31, 2011 11:06 pm

Hah. Well, at least I know that high-level players don't mind this happening to them, so I guess it's not too bad.

I'm going to be gone for today, and may have little time for a few days starting tomorrow. Therefore, I'm going to post a trigger along with this move...

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm17 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . 2 1 , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

The way this works is that once you've decided on your move, you can check the hidden part below and if you played what I thought you'd play, I play the response I gave below.

And a continuation if you accept:

dabird · Post by **dabird** » Sun Jul 31, 2011 11:49 pm

hmm hmm hmm....I have little choice but to accept.

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EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Mon Aug 01, 2011 7:28 am

Sevis wrote:so I guess it's not too bad.

Not necessarily, and I cannot say more until later.

perceval · Post by **perceval** » Tue Aug 02, 2011 1:23 am

~~crazy~~ interesting fuseki guys

already i wouldnt want to be either B or W: too hard :shock:

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Tue Aug 02, 2011 7:28 am

dabird wrote:
I think I can still settle reasonably well with .

Sevis · Post by **Sevis** » Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:46 am

And I'm back!

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dabird · Post by **dabird** » Tue Aug 02, 2011 10:19 am

Welcome back!

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I'm torn between the move I want to make (a), and the move I think I should make (b). 'b' settles my group completely and is sente, according to Ishida. The cut at 'c' would be hard for white to manage. Indeed, given the black position above, perhaps even more so. But I don't want to let white get move along the top. Such a move, with his wide extension on the left (24), would threaten a big moyo. On the other hand, if I can cut at c, white would be left with a weak group sandwiched between two relatively strong groups. This also gives black a rock-solid corner. White took similar profit on the top right, so perhaps 'b' is a good move for maintaining balance of territory.

Looking at 'a', this would give me an extension, but I would be asking white to mobilize :ws:

, which I don't feel ready for yet, since white 'b' would deny me the corner and put my group at risk. Ok! 'b' must be my move.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm23 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . O X , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . | $$ | . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O c . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . a . . . @ X X X b . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Sevis · Post by **Sevis** » Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:45 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm25 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . O X , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . O X X X 1 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Need to protect the cut. Other way is worse:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm25 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . O X , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 O . 2 . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . O X X X 1 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm25 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . O X , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . 2 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . O X X X 1 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Bottom is urgent. Expected (.oi):

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dabird · Post by **dabird** » Tue Aug 02, 2011 3:27 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm25 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . O X , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . 3 . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . O X X X 1 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

dabird · Post by **dabird** » Tue Aug 02, 2011 3:31 pm

perceval wrote:~~crazy~~ interesting fuseki guys

already i wouldnt want to be either B or W: too hard

Well for me, I'm using joseki that I have only read about :study:

, which may be increasing the complexity. But the cross-corner game makes fuseki pretty weird too. I cast all blame onto Sevis for that. ;-)

Sevis · Post by **Sevis** » Wed Aug 03, 2011 1:46 am

I think it's fun.

And it's only been the same joseki twice so far.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm25 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . O X , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . 3 . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . O X X X 1 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

dabird · Post by **dabird** » Wed Aug 03, 2011 8:52 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm25 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . O X , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . 5 X X O . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . 3 . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . O X X X 1 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Sevis · Post by **Sevis** » Wed Aug 03, 2011 1:30 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm29 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . 2 . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . O X , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . 1 . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . O X X X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ----------------------------------------[/go]

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