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by hailthorn011 » Mon Aug 22, 2011 6:32 am
$$c This is a label for the diagram. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Q Q X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . O O O X X . . Q X X X O | $$ | . . . , . . . O X X . X . Q Q Q X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . X O O X X O X Q X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . X Q X X O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . | $$ ---------------------------------------
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$c This is a label for the diagram. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Q Q X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . O O O X X . . Q X X X O | $$ | . . . , . . . O X X . X . Q Q Q X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . X O O X X O X Q X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . X Q X X O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]Black to capture marked stones.
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by daniel_the_smith » Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:00 am
That which can be destroyed by the truth should be.
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by Chew Terr » Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:55 am
This is the best I see for both sides.
$$c My attempt $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Q Q X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . O O O X X . . Q X X X O | $$ | . . . , . . . O X X . X 4 Q Q Q X O 7 | $$ | . . . . . . . X O O X X O X Q X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . 6 5 O O 1 X Q X X O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 2 X X . X . | $$ ---------------------------------------
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$c My attempt $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Q Q X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . O O O X X . . Q X X X O | $$ | . . . , . . . O X X . X 4 Q Q Q X O 7 | $$ | . . . . . . . X O O X X O X Q X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . 6 5 O O 1 X Q X X O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 2 X X . X . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Someday I want to be strong enough to earn KGS[-].
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by hailthorn011 » Mon Aug 22, 2011 9:44 am
Chew Terr wrote:
This is the best I see for both sides.
$$c My attempt $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Q Q X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . O O O X X . . Q X X X O | $$ | . . . , . . . O X X . X 4 Q Q Q X O 7 | $$ | . . . . . . . X O O X X O X Q X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . 6 5 O O 1 X Q X X O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 2 X X . X . | $$ ---------------------------------------
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$c My attempt $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Q Q X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . O O O X X . . Q X X X O | $$ | . . . , . . . O X X . X 4 Q Q Q X O 7 | $$ | . . . . . . . X O O X X O X Q X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . 6 5 O O 1 X Q X X O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 2 X X . X . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]But, you solved it right according to SmartGo, by the way, so you've earned 6 Club Points!
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by emeraldemon » Mon Aug 22, 2011 9:47 am
@Hailthorn: Could you show where you're getting stuck? Chew's sequence looks right to me...
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by hailthorn011 » Mon Aug 22, 2011 9:52 am
emeraldemon wrote: @Hailthorn: Could you show where you're getting stuck? Chew's sequence looks right to me...
It was right. That's the answer SmartGo displays. But I don't understand how it captures. It seems like B dies in that situation. Keep in mind, I'm only a 9k, so I'm probably missing something.
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by emeraldemon » Mon Aug 22, 2011 9:55 am
Why do you say "It seems like B dies"?
$$c Continuation $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Q Q X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . O O O X X . . Q X X X O | $$ | . . . , . . . O X X . X O Q Q Q X O 1 | $$ | . . . . . . . X O O X X O X Q X O O 3 | $$ | . . . . . . . . O X O O X X Q X X O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . 2 . 4 X 5 X X . X . | $$ ---------------------------------------
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$c Continuation $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Q Q X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . O O O X X . . Q X X X O | $$ | . . . , . . . O X X . X O Q Q Q X O 1 | $$ | . . . . . . . X O O X X O X Q X O O 3 | $$ | . . . . . . . . O X O O X X Q X X O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . 2 . 4 X 5 X X . X . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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by daniel_the_smith » Mon Aug 22, 2011 9:59 am
Chew Terr wrote:
This is the best I see for both sides.
$$c My attempt $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Q Q X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . O O O X X . . Q X X X O | $$ | . . . , . . . O X X . X 4 Q Q Q X O 7 | $$ | . . . . . . . X O O X X O X Q X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . 6 5 O O 1 X Q X X O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 2 X X . X . | $$ ---------------------------------------
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$c My attempt $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Q Q X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . O O O X X . . Q X X X O | $$ | . . . , . . . O X X . X 4 Q Q Q X O 7 | $$ | . . . . . . . X O O X X O X Q X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . 6 5 O O 1 X Q X X O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 2 X X . X . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]Yeah, that's the sequence I had in mind. Although, 7 doesn't need to play a snapback. Not that it matters.
For hailthorn:
$$c White can't play at 'a' (self-atari) $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Q Q X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . O O O X X . . Q X X X O | $$ | . . . , . . . O X X . X 4 Q Q Q X O 7 | $$ | . . . . . . . X O O X X O X Q X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . 6 5 O O 1 X Q X X O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . a 3 2 X X . X . | $$ ---------------------------------------
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$c White can't play at 'a' (self-atari) $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Q Q X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . O O O X X . . Q X X X O | $$ | . . . , . . . O X X . X 4 Q Q Q X O 7 | $$ | . . . . . . . X O O X X O X Q X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . 6 5 O O 1 X Q X X O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . a 3 2 X X . X . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]Therefore, black's stones will all live after he captures the four white stones on the right, and white's stones will not be able to get eyes, therefore they are just dead.
Does that help?
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by hailthorn011 » Mon Aug 22, 2011 10:05 am
Now I understand! Thanks. Sorry, I guess I wasn't seeing the whole board clearly, and was only focusing on that one little area. I hadn't even considered the right side. Thanks for clearing it up!
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by Oroth » Mon Aug 22, 2011 3:07 pm
$$c Ko? $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Q Q X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . O O O X X . . Q X X X O | $$ | . . . , . . . O X X . X 2 Q Q Q X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . X O O X X O X Q X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O 1 X Q X X O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . 6 5 4 3 X X . X . | $$ ---------------------------------------
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$c Ko? $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Q Q X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . O O O X X . . Q X X X O | $$ | . . . , . . . O X X . X 2 Q Q Q X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . X O O X X O X Q X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O 1 X Q X X O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . 6 5 4 3 X X . X . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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by Tryss » Mon Aug 22, 2011 3:14 pm
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$$c Not ko $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Q Q X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . O O O X X . . Q X X X O | $$ | . . . , . . . O X X . X O Q Q Q X O 7 | $$ | . . . . . . . X O O X X O X Q X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X Q X X O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . X X X . X . | $$ ---------------------------------------
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$c Not ko $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Q Q X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . O O O X X . . Q X X X O | $$ | . . . , . . . O X X . X O Q Q Q X O 7 | $$ | . . . . . . . X O O X X O X Q X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X Q X X O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . X X X . X . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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by Redundant » Mon Aug 22, 2011 3:24 pm
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$$c This is a label for the diagram. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Q Q X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . O O O X X . . Q X X X O | $$ | . . . , . . . O X X . X 4 Q Q Q X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . X O O X X O X Q X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O 1 X Q X X O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 2 X X . X . | $$ ---------------------------------------
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$c This is a label for the diagram. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Q Q X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . O O O X X . . Q X X X O | $$ | . . . , . . . O X X . X 4 Q Q Q X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . X O O X X O X Q X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O 1 X Q X X O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 2 X X . X . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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by Oroth » Mon Aug 22, 2011 4:25 pm
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