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Re: 131. ez4u vs Jedo

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not for the players
white is about to lose this game..
i am not sure what will happen...but i have a feeling that he is fighting were he has a weak stone.
black is definitly winning now.
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Re: 131. ez4u vs Jedo

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[go]$$Wcm61 Komi: -15; Prisoners: :b100:, :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X 1 X O . . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . O X X , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I will go with the atari here. I also considered all of the below points marked "a" through "c". I am not sure what is best. White is troubled by the gap between the two stones on the left and the rest. There are two ways for Black to proceed here. If Black descends at :b2: , I am currently thinking that :w3: is what I will try. If Black plays the atari underneath at :b4:, then :w5: breaks into the corner. Or White simply connects against the atari instead and Black has to decide between 5 and "d" on the left. :scratch:
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 4 2 . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . 5 X 1 X O b . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X d 3 a O X X , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . c . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

However, Black might not answer :w1: by descending. This :b2: is also available. After :w5: connects, Black decides how to connect and we see what happens...
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X 1 5 O . . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . 2 O X X , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I don't know, am I just babbling?
:grumpy:
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Re: 131. ez4u vs Jedo

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[go]$$Wcm61 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O . . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . O X X , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Back at school now, so rate of play may be a bit slower :D
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Re: 131. ez4u vs Jedo

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Jedo wrote:...

Back at school now, so rate of play may be a bit slower :D

No prob!

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[go]$$Wcm61 Komi: -15; Prisoners: :b100:, :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O . . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X , 3 . O X X , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I expect :b1: below. If I connect, one of two things happen next:
Black plays :b3: to reduce the liberties on the White stones, accepting that I get the forcing plays and a better shape on the upper side, or...
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 7 4 1 X 6 . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . 5 X O X O . 8 O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X 3 O 2 O X X , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Black plays :b3: below, leaving me with four liberties instead of three. However, I have to play :w4: and have a worse shape on the top. Black "a" is a forcing play due to the threat to capture two stones, so it is easier for Black to move out with the two marked stones.
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 1 X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . 3 X O X O 4 , O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X . O 2 O B B a . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

On the other hand, the atari in the corner at :w2: leads to an exchange as shown. The question is what to expect next from Black...
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 8 7 5 . 1 X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . 6 2 X O X O . . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X 4 O 3 O X X , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Wcm61 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 4 X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O . . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X , O . O X X , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I didn't think he was going to play this line, but I don't think I have any other choice than the atari which invites the counter atari.

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[go]$$Wcm61 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 5 X 8 . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . 4 X O X O . . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X , 3 7 O X X , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 6 . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This is clearly a totally broken shape, and although white is thin black's position looks like it has collapsed. As for now

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[go]$$Wcm61 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 7 4 X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . 5 X O X O . . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X 8 3 6 O X X , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

It looks like ko, but I have the threat of just extending and me capturing this is practically sente to kill the other white stones, so perhaps white won't play this way.

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[go]$$Wcm61 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 0 . 5 X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . 9 6 X O X O . . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X 8 3 7 O X X , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This looks like a mess too, but it seems like the best option available. Was my tenuki to the right side too slow?
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[go]$$Wcm61 Komi: -15; Prisoners: :b100:, :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . 5 X O X O . . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X 7 O 6 O X X , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I will go with the corner. I think that letting Black have the corner while I end up with a lot of weak points in my center position offers less opportunity in the next phase of the game. Let's see...
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[go]$$Wcm61 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . 8 O X . X O . . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , . . . . . X . . . |
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Time to see if there's any way to salvage this
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Re: 131. ez4u vs Jedo

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I never considered this! :scratch: I'll think about it later. For now I am forced...
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Re: 131. ez4u vs Jedo

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@Jedo:
Do you have a particular sequence that you have read that allows your corner to live? It looks a bit thin to me.
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Re: 131. ez4u vs Jedo

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I'm pretty sure I can make life this way:

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生きていると思うけど。。。


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$$ | . 3 . O . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
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Looks like I'm ok, but in the words of a great man "If that's how you're going to live, then why don't you just curl up and die?"
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Re: 131. ez4u vs Jedo

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[go]$$Wcm71 Komi: -15; Prisoners: :b100:, :w2:
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$$ | . . . O . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O . . O . . . O O X X . |
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At this point simply patience. Black has to decide what sort of weaknesses to leave behind. Right now I am inclining toward pulling out the G16 stone and having Black capture the H17 stone in gote. But let's see how the corner settles first...
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[go]$$Wcm71 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
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$$ | . . . O . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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$$ | . . . O . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Wcm71 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
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$$ | . . 6 O . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I think that forcing play help me a little. Anyway I'm pretty sure I live, but a lot of my territory has been destroyed. Can I still win? White's pretty thin and has to take gote to link up I think, and then I'll have to make good use of my sente

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Wcm71 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
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$$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Let's just see what Black has in mind. BTW, the exchange of :b74: for :w75: was not a good idea. It eliminated one of Black's liberties and increases the potential that E9 could cause problems in the future.
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