131. ez4u vs Jedo

Loons · Post by **Loons** » Mon Sep 05, 2011 6:08 pm

@ez4u

ez4u · Post by **ez4u** » Mon Sep 05, 2011 7:06 pm

Loons wrote:@ez4u
Are you expecting something other than this? What?
$$Wcm91 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . 4 X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . 6 1 2 . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . 5 7 3 . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------

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[go]$$Wcm91 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . 4 X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . 6 1 2 . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . 5 7 3 . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Even though yours is sente for Black, it is very passive and quite large in terms of territory. I rather thought that Black would answer on the other side. It would be more in the spirit of this game.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 7 X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . 6 8 9 . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . 0 X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . O 1 5 O . . . . . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . 4 2 3 . . . . . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I think that something like :b1:

below is not so easy to answer. However, when White finishes the play in the upper left as marked, White "a" through "c" threaten to connect underneath while both "d" and "e" are potential trouble.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | B . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | B . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | W X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | W O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X b X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . c a , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . O e . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X d . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . O O X . X . . 1 . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Jedo · Post by **Jedo** » Mon Sep 05, 2011 7:55 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm91 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . O 2 . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Trigger:

I'm surprised at this order, I thought he would play more up top with regards to his two stones, but I'm guessing that since his group is safe, there's no point in forcing me to take the two stones. I considered this exchange:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm91 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . 2 X . O . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O O O O 3 O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . 1 . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

But I feel like this is probably a waste of a ko threat. I only need to eat those two stones if for some reason the capturing race is no longer in my favor. I guess his recent move is the largest, but I'm a little surprised because I was expecting this:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm91 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . 1 , O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . a . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

He this just seems so big, but I guess he felt that the corner was bigger. I plan to end in sente here though, maybe something like this?

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm91 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . b . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 8 X c . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . 7 9 0 . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . 1 2 6 O . a . . . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . 5 3 4 . . . . . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

And after he connects take a or b, probably b. This is all assuming that I can deal with the cut at c and the general aji of that area.

ez4u · Post by **ez4u** » Mon Sep 05, 2011 9:55 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm91 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . 7 . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Jedo · Post by **Jedo** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 2:21 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm91 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 8 X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I think I can get away with this cut so I'm going to do this now. Looks like I win the capturing race:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm91 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 8 X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . 7 9 0 . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm91 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . 3 . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 4 . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . O O X . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . 1 X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

One variation

ez4u · Post by **ez4u** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 4:41 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm91 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . O 9 . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Trigger:

I think that Black missed a chance here. Of course :b98:

is the usual continuation and we are told that the alternative at C5 is a "safe" alternative for weaker players. ;-)

However, here Black is left with a serious cutting point after :w99:

. Best of all might have been playing in at B4. Below is an ideal result for Black. The cutting point here is protected by the marked stone, :b5:

helps extinguish any remaining aji inside the Black group, etc. Black can turn to the rest of the board with no worries.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 5 X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | 7 4 X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . O 3 . . B . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | 6 1 2 X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . 8 O X X O . . . . . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

In the game, There is clearly some nasty aji left over. Consider the situation below.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . 7 O . . O X . . . . . . . 3 . . . | $$ | . . 5 6 . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X 4 8 . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . O O X . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . 2 X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Jedo · Post by **Jedo** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 5:27 pm

Current board position:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm99 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . O O X . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . O O X 3 . . . . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Thinking...

jts · Post by **jts** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 5:44 pm

@ez4u:

Jedo · Post by **Jedo** » Fri Sep 09, 2011 1:22 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm99 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . O O X . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm99 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . 6 7 . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . 8 9 . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . O O X . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . 5 X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . O X X O . 0 . . . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . O O X 3 . . . . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Something like this? It's now that those 15 points in the bank are a godsend, especially after he totally wrecked my top (in sente!) He's also taken some profit in the corner and left some nasty aji behind; I'm going to have to watch my liberties but I don't think he can pull the trigger immediately.

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Fri Sep 09, 2011 1:48 pm

For obs:

I think that the right side is too small. I'd like to see black play 'a', with eventual plans for 'b' and 'c'.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm99 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . O c . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O O X . b . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X . . . . . . a . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . O O X . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . O X X X . . | $$ | 5 . O O X O . . . . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

ez4u · Post by **ez4u** » Fri Sep 09, 2011 3:06 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . O O X . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . 3 X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Jedo · Post by **Jedo** » Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:49 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . 4 . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . O O X . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

If I can afford to tenuki, this seems like the biggest point on the board. It destroys some of his middle potential and threatens to take a bunch of points if he doesn't crawl. If he does then I reduce in sente. However, this is all assuming I can survive those cuts, but I think I'm fine for now:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X 8 X 4 X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . 7 . 3 X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . O 1 2 O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 9 . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X 5 6 . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . O O X . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I think I can throw in and win the capturing race.

Loons · Post by **Loons** » Tue Sep 13, 2011 3:16 pm

@Jedo

Obs.

Jedo · Post by **Jedo** » Tue Sep 13, 2011 5:32 pm

@loons

Yeah sure. Basically I had this move in mind for a while, and there were only a few other candidates:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . O O X . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . 3 X . . a . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . O X X O . 4 . . . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This moves doesn't seem good because I can't find a good answer to a. Even if white just leaves it and does this:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . 5 , O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . O O X . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . 3 X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . O X X O . 4 . . . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

It seems bad for me/ The only other move that I really considered was some kind of honte to fix my cut aji and threaten to reduce the middle or capture two stones:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . 5 , O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X . . . . 4 . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . O O X . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . 3 X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

But I have a hard time swallowing this one.

Anyway, I'm hoping the move I played will be sente, although I suppose he might have an annoying forcing move from the outside against the bottom left. As for the upper middle group I don't think I have to capture those two stones yet. Possible sequence:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . 8 7 O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . 4 5 . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . 6 9 . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . 0 . . . . | $$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . O O X . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . 3 X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This is probably too good for me. But he can't just push and cut, so I'm interested to see how he will handle this.

ez4u · Post by **ez4u** » Tue Sep 13, 2011 7:31 pm

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