Recent 9x9 game
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Re: Recent 9x9 game
I don't know how to argue against someone who disagrees, but if I see that I need a move, I would defend. Doing the opposite seems underhanded.
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Re: Recent 9x9 game
In the actual game, komi was 6.5, so the issue does not arise 
But apart from that, I wonder, how many of you spotted the ko?
But apart from that, I wonder, how many of you spotted the ko?
descends and the ko is on the other side. But this is an unwinnable double ko for B, right? Is there a better one?-
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Re: Recent 9x9 game
I spotted the weakness when I saw the position but did not see the ko.
But apart from that. This thread provides a potential for a nice discussion relating to the game's philosophy.
- DuskEagle-Helel camp thinks that black should pass and hope white does not see the tesuji.
- emeraldemon thinks that black should protect even if it means a .5 points loss.
I for myself am closer to emeraldemon. I don't think protecting and losing by 0.5 it is stupid or cowardly. It's a matter of how you approach the game.
I think I would neither pass, nor protect. I would resign immediately (unless I have the slightest doubt I miscounted or misread something).
Currently in one of my games in DGS I just spotted a tesuji for my opponent that surely wins the game. Regardless of whether my opponent spots it or not, my next move will be a resign. If server allowed it, I would resign without waiting for my opponent's move.
I wonder what is the majorities opinion about that. Worth making a poll but too lazy right now
But apart from that. This thread provides a potential for a nice discussion relating to the game's philosophy.
- DuskEagle-Helel camp thinks that black should pass and hope white does not see the tesuji.
- emeraldemon thinks that black should protect even if it means a .5 points loss.
I for myself am closer to emeraldemon. I don't think protecting and losing by 0.5 it is stupid or cowardly. It's a matter of how you approach the game.
I think I would neither pass, nor protect. I would resign immediately (unless I have the slightest doubt I miscounted or misread something).
Currently in one of my games in DGS I just spotted a tesuji for my opponent that surely wins the game. Regardless of whether my opponent spots it or not, my next move will be a resign. If server allowed it, I would resign without waiting for my opponent's move.
I wonder what is the majorities opinion about that. Worth making a poll but too lazy right now
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Re: Recent 9x9 game
jts wrote:
, White captures with 
and Black has no ko threat.
, Black has no ko threats. So correct play from the original position is for Black to exchange "a" for "b" to create a ko threat and then pass!? 
so White will end up winning the ko. Sheesh! See any errors here?
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Re: Recent 9x9 game
Helel wrote:
recaptures the ko. Black does not have to add a stone in the original position. 
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Re: Recent 9x9 game
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Re: Recent 9x9 game
For an otherwise excellent problem, a minor issue is that under AGA or Chinese rules, Black wins.
From the original position, Black defends. Under AGA rules, White then gives Black a pass stone, whereupon Black has 27 points, White has 26 points before komi. Under Chinese rules, Black's defending move doesn't decrease Black's score, so Black again is ahead by 1 on the board before komi.
From the original position, Black defends. Under AGA rules, White then gives Black a pass stone, whereupon Black has 27 points, White has 26 points before komi. Under Chinese rules, Black's defending move doesn't decrease Black's score, so Black again is ahead by 1 on the board before komi.