135. daniel_the_smith (2d) vs Fuego (bot)

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Re: 135. daniel_the_smith (2d) vs Fuego (bot)

Post by Magicwand »

for obs only:
soon as i saw this move...i said "NO!!"
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[go]$$Bcm51 No Prisoners
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$$ | . . . . . O . X . . O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . 4 O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


answering is correct but white have to answer as below.
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[go]$$Bcm51 No Prisoners
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . X 4 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 135. daniel_the_smith (2d) vs Fuego (bot)

Post by bayu »

magicwand and obs:
Can you please write, why w54 was incorrect?

I liked whites answer (from a 3kyu perspective) because it gets access to destroy the black center and reinforces the corner. Actually, I would have played at the submissive spot fuego considered (R15), lacking any good ideas. So I was sure that the winning chance prophecy by fuego would drop after the actual game move w54. I was wrong again. Enlightenment highly appreciated.
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Re: 135. daniel_the_smith (2d) vs Fuego (bot)

Post by Magicwand »

bayu wrote:magicwand and obs:
Can you please write, why w54 was incorrect?

I liked whites answer (from a 3kyu perspective) because it gets access to destroy the black center and reinforces the corner. Actually, I would have played at the submissive spot fuego considered (R15), lacking any good ideas. So I was sure that the winning chance prophecy by fuego would drop after the actual game move w54. I was wrong again. Enlightenment highly appreciated.


this is better than actual game.
but it is wrong because black can tenuki and white can not do too much damage on black.
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[go]$$Bcm51 No Prisoners
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . 4 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . 3 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


if black tenuki from :w4: below then :w6: will make that :b3: into useless stone.
which means black is more likely to answer and you secure your corner in sente.
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[go]$$Bcm51 No Prisoners
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . 3 4 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . 6 . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


i didnt do much reading but i can sense that corner can be invaded too easily.
that is why :w4: is wrong.
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[go]$$Bcm51 No Prisoners
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . b . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . a . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . 3 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . 4 O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 135. daniel_the_smith (2d) vs Fuego (bot)

Post by mitsun »

I had the same reaction as MagicWand -- the marked W move leaves the corner too thin; B has too many invasion points. If W tries to block all incursions, he gets into trouble fast:
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[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 3 . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . O X . . X O . 7 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . 6 5 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . X . . 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . W 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 135. daniel_the_smith (2d) vs Fuego (bot)

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[go]$$Bcm51 No Prisoners
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . 6 . . O . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . . . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Hm, I think black picked the wrong area. The right could get large, but if I stabilize all my stones here, I'll be able to deal with it just fine.
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Re: 135. daniel_the_smith (2d) vs Fuego (bot)

Post by Loons »

A prediction, just for fun.
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[go]$$Bcm51 No Prisoners!
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . 6 8 . O . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . a . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 7 . . . . . O . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . . . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . 9 . X . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

While it may be possible to save those two stones (the weakness at 'a' comes into play if black connects the peep), I feel like defending top left corner comes first. Also, this seems like fuego's style to me.

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Re: 135. daniel_the_smith (2d) vs Fuego (bot)

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This seems to merit a trigger:

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[go]$$Bcm51 No Prisoners
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O . 9 O . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . . . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . 8 X X O O . . . , . . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . X O O 7 . . . . X . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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sequence (assuming trigger is accepted):
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[go]$$Bcm59 No Prisoners
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . 6 X . . O . 1 O . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . 0 8 7 X 5 3 4 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 9 2 . . O . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . . . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . O X X O O . . . , . . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . X O O X . . . . X . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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Re: 135. daniel_the_smith (2d) vs Fuego (bot)

Post by daniel_the_smith »

I almost want to take the trigger just to ensure that black plays :b59: there. But, I think this :w58: is potentially a couple of points better. If black still plays :b59: , I'll answer as below.

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[go]$$Bcm51 No Prisoners
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O . 9 O . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . 0 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . . . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . X O O X . . . . X . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . 8 . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



I want to play 58 like so, but then black could live in the corner:

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[go]$$Wc ( :w5: fills)
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . X O O X 1 . . . X . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | 7 . 2 4 3 . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . 6 . 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 135. daniel_the_smith (2d) vs Fuego (bot)

Post by Laman »

i might be wrong, but it seems to me that white can kill even with his 58 at F3 if he omits the connection of two stones:

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[go]$$Wc Diagram 84-1
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . |
$$ | . 5 X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . X O O C 1 . . . X . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . 2 4 3 . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Bc Diagram 84-2
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . |
$$ | . W X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . X C 2 1 O . . . X . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | a . X X O . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . b . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

then a-b is miai and white won't let black make the second eye
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I might be wrong, but probably not.
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Re: 135. daniel_the_smith (2d) vs Fuego (bot)

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[go]$$Bcm51 No Prisoners
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O 9 . O . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . . . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . X O O X . . . . X . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Fuego doesn't really have the ability to disassociate the bottom from the top; as far as it's concerned, this is an entirely different position that has to be completely re-evaluated.

Value: 49.0%

Fuego believes that it's behind for the first time since move 13. I think it's at least partly do the diminished aji in the corner: maybe in the past black was winning that corner sometimes in playouts, but not nearly as often now. That said, I think white has done a pretty good job of handling the situation on top, except maybe Q13. I'll be very curious to see if that aji comes into play later in the game.

sequence:
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[go]$$Bcm59 No Prisoners
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 5 . . . 9 . 4 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 0 6 O 3 X . . O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O 1 . O . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 2 X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 7 8 . O . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . . . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . X O O X . . . . X . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If the sequence goes this way, it looks like black may live small on the top, but without much territory in the corner or left side.
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Re: 135. daniel_the_smith (2d) vs Fuego (bot)

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Gah, I should have accepted the trigger, it was a guaranteed crappy move! :evil:
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Re: 135. daniel_the_smith (2d) vs Fuego (bot)

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[go]$$Bcm51 No Prisoners
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . O . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 0 . . O . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . . . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . X O O X . . . . X . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Well, let's just go with my plan from before. What will happen? I don't know!
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Re: 135. daniel_the_smith (2d) vs Fuego (bot)

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[go]$$Bcm61 No Prisoners
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . O . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . 1 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . O . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . . . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . X O O X . . . . X . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Value: 48.7%

Sequence:
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[go]$$Bcm61 No Prisoners
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . O . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . 6 4 3 X . . . . . . . 2 1 . . |
$$ | . . . . . 5 O . 9 O . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 0 . O 7 . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 8 O . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . . . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . X O O X . . . . X . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Value is dropping, and this sequence is looking kind of sketchy.
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Re: 135. daniel_the_smith (2d) vs Fuego (bot)

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In the predicted sequence, can anyone explain to me why this is a good time to make the :b61: :w62: exchange? It seems odd to strengthen the outside before you're ready to follow though.
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Re: 135. daniel_the_smith (2d) vs Fuego (bot)

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It seems Fuego is losing.

I don't think it is actually behind on the board, but it seems to have switched into "desperate mode". At least that's the impression I get from the predicted sequence.

I'm aware that there isn't actually such a thing as a desperate mode coded into the program. But it's a common emergent behavior of monte-carlo bots, and that's IMHO their biggest (perhaps the only?) systematic weakness.
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