L19 2011/2012 tournament: PAIRINGS and RESULTS

stalkor · Post by **stalkor** » Tue Sep 27, 2011 12:24 am

i still haven't played against psychee, i've been on vacation last week. i hope to have time to play him this week.

Phelan · Post by **Phelan** » Tue Sep 27, 2011 2:17 am

I also haven't played Chew Terr, we missed each other last weekend.

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Thu Sep 29, 2011 6:18 pm

Oren and I are schedulred to play at 8:00PM, California time, a little less than 2 hours from now

Phelan · Post by **Phelan** » Sun Oct 02, 2011 11:28 am

Chew and I will be playing now.

Website · Post by **Chew Terr** » Sun Oct 02, 2011 12:40 pm

Phelan fought very strongly after clobbering me in the opening. I managed to cobble together a large framework and defend it to win. Thank you very much for the game, Phelan!

I will look over the game later, but first, lunch!

Phelan · Post by **Phelan** » Mon Oct 03, 2011 8:42 am

Thank you too!

I think I made a major mistake by connecting K15 instead of K17 at move 31. That and 35 allowed you to push my group around and get that thickness towards the middle.

I would love to know if stronger players agree with me as to the turning point of the game, or if I could have gotten back after that.

P.S. - I just love playing tournaments, wish I still had more games.

gaius · Post by **gaius** » Mon Oct 03, 2011 8:57 am

Phelan: I completely agree with your analysis of :b31:

. But I think :b37:

actually turns the tables a bit. In fact, I think that :w36:

was a big mistake, because it allows you to play :b37:

. Instead of :w36:

, white should just extend at N12. Then black's top group is dead, black's left group is very weak, and black's moyo is also weakened; in short, disaster for black.

After :b61:

, white's wall still has a couple of cutting points, so I think the game is still kind of playable for black.

Post by **Solomon** » Mon Oct 03, 2011 10:16 am

iirc,

is a move that's discussed in "Compendium of Trick Plays". Why I remember this I do not know, but the best way to handle that move is quite simple: suck the base out of both Black groups and play the 3-3.

stalkor · Post by **stalkor** » Tue Oct 04, 2011 3:22 am

playing today(between now and half an hour) with psychee (finally!)

stalkor · Post by **stalkor** » Tue Oct 04, 2011 4:31 am

We played our match just now.

I played a terrible opening and managed to sneak in a kill in the end to make psychee resign. I felt overall really bad about this game, i can play so much better but i just couldnt make it happen.

thanks psychee for the game

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Sun Oct 09, 2011 6:47 pm

Oren and I plan to play at at 3:00 UTC. That is little over an hour from now.

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 3:22 pm

Oren and I played. Although I won in the end, my opening seemed slack somehow. At move 38, Araban comments that it seems equal, and I can't say that I am clearly ahead, though I should be as I am ranked several stones higher. Any improvements for black for the first 40 moves or so would be especially appreciated.

jts · Post by **jts** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 4:43 pm

On

, did you consider a closer pincer? This is a situation where I would have preferred to block the other way at :b11:

, but I think you need support from the pincer stone to make that work. Also, at :b29:

, why not double hane?

I'm sure how you played is better, just brainstorming

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 9:55 pm

jts wrote:On , did you consider a closer pincer?

Yes, I considered it. I was trying to make the Q3/R3 invasion more difficult. Maybe I was trying to get too much with one stone.

jts wrote:This is a situation where I would have preferred to block the other way at , but I think you need support from the pincer stone to make that work.

My thinking was that my C14 stone may well be sacrificed/compromised to support an invasion at C17. But the Q5 stone is not going away. So the bottom seemed better than the left side for long-term large-scale adventures

jts wrote:Also, at , why not double hane?

I didn't like the cross cut at Q6 and extension to R6. It may be inferior for white, but it gives him fighting chances. Whereas with the line I played, black has no weak spots and lots of influence with O8 and P8, while white still has too worry about his group.

jts wrote:I'm sure how you played is better...

Thanks...I'm not.

gaius · Post by **gaius** » Tue Oct 11, 2011 1:14 am

Joaz Banbeck wrote:At move 38, Araban comments that it seems equal, and I can't say that I am clearly ahead, though I should be as I am ranked several stones higher.

I think playing with the idea that you "should be leading" is a bad idea, even if your several stones stronger. At least for me, this nagging feeling that I should come out ahead of any battle against a weaker opponent is the number 1 reason for losing unnecessarily against weaker players. Sometimes, they just play good moves and 50/50 is OK

BTW, I think :b29:

is to blame. I'm pretty sure that move should be a double hane, white can do almost nothing!

I'm not sure I like the bottom left result. How about this instead (just an idea):

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