Guess-the-next-move!

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 1:19 am

My first guess would be:

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Just because I've always liked it from the 4-4 + ogeima joseki extension, but it might be kinda thin here. However, the hint perhaps suggests:

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gogameguru · Post by **gogameguru** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 4:23 am

@topazg I like your second option. You seem to be on a roll with your second thoughts

. Maybe there's something in that for you?

Your first suggestion could be an overplay. Black might do something like this... The tesuji at 4 is quite severe and up to 6, white still needs to protect the cutting stones against 'a' with 7.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc White can't defend at 2 anymore. 1 is an overplay. $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . O . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O 7 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X O a 4 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . 5 3 6 | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O 2 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Instead, the game would become painful for white, because white would need to resort to something strange this...

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm20 A painful result for white. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . O . . . X 5 . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X O 7 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . 6 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O 4 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . 2 . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . 1 X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

If white tries to resist instead...

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Continuing, it's a one way street... Even if white could get a ko, there aren't any big ko threats.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc Black's one move ahead in the capturing race. $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . O . . . X . 6 . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O 1 5 | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X O 2 X 3 | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X X 4 | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 5:31 am

If it does happen, I'm guessing the right is urgent for Black, leading to something like this perhaps?

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I wonder when Black will have time for "a"?

PS I presume "b" is not going to be played just yet. It's only really a sente single point, but it's only value as a ko threat for White is if killing those stones did some real damage to Black, or if it really secured White's weaknesses. I'd have thought, when the dust settles, that its value will be lower than right now, so I guess it's not worth saving as a ko threat? I dunno, I'm still guessing it won't be played just yet.

gaius · Post by **gaius** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 3:27 am

I might as well post this sequence in one go

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topazg · Post by **topazg** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 3:42 am

gaius wrote:I might as well post this sequence in one go
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That is interesting. That was my first guess, but then I figured forcing White to play :w24:

was too helpful for White, because of :w26:

- 4th line is obviously great, but I figured it wasn't worth giving white the extra thickness.

Dusk Eagle · Post by **Dusk Eagle** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 4:42 am

gaius · Post by **gaius** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 5:42 am

I'll be leaving the Netherlands for two weeks of vacation this Saturday. So updates will probably become a bit flaky for two weeks. Unless someone wants to take over the updates for that period. If you'd volunteer, you can PM me and I'll send a link to the game! Thanks!

prokofiev · Post by **prokofiev** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 7:25 am

It doesn't seem like black can get much of the corner:

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or

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Nasty ko.

or

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P16 is still a problem and I'm not sure where to go now.

I guess the first is best for black?

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 7:49 am

I was envisaging this, but DuskEagle's may be better..:

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I figured as "a" is pretty dangerous, Black may get an eye in sente, but if White can push and cut at "b" and "c" to deal with the problem, probably not. However, at least if White does that Black can get relatively thick and may be able to turn to the two White stones on top.

EDIT: Actually, Black losing those three stones is so painful. I think Black's not going to play in the corner at all this move, and try to make shape with those three stones instead, whilst threatening to break out. Maybe "d"?

Dusk Eagle · Post by **Dusk Eagle** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 9:32 am

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This isn't a good ko for white. If black wins it, white's corner is dead.

I stand by my move, and then if white kicks, play a move that threatens to break out. No need to play a damaging move before white even embarks on that variation.

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or perhaps 'a' if white decides to play :w2:

, but not until then IMO. However, if black plans on playing topazg's variation, I think :b3:

should be played first.

prokofiev · Post by **prokofiev** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 11:30 am

Okay, maybe the ko isn't as bad for black as I thought (though white does have several local threats against the right side group). White can also just fill immediately, and then black's in trouble:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 1 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . O . . 7 X 2 . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . 5 4 6 O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . 8 X O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

There are complicated follow-ups (also swapping 7 & 8 and other connections), so I'm not certain of the status, but it seems bad for black.

I guess you already understood/accounted for this sort of thing, though, because you suggested playing 1 and then trying to escape.

gogameguru · Post by **gogameguru** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 2:50 pm

gaius wrote:I'll be leaving the Netherlands for two weeks of vacation this Saturday. So updates will probably become a bit flaky for two weeks. Unless someone wants to take over the updates for that period. If you'd volunteer, you can PM me and I'll send a link to the game! Thanks!

After the last update I was almost certain I'd studied this game. So I looked it up in Kombilo and realised I have a commentary of the game in a book. Since I won't be taking part in the guessing anyway, it makes sense for me to post the moves while you're away. How often do you want me to update it?

hyperpape · Post by **hyperpape** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 6:46 pm

If he doesn't answer, I'd recommend roughly one per day or one every other day, so long as you have a good number of people guessing. That seems to be the trend so far. There are a few days that he posted twice.

Maybe give us more time in the positions that are more thorny, show more disagreement, all that good stuff.

gaius · Post by **gaius** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 5:16 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm20 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 9 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . O . 0 . X . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

David: that would be great! As to the pace, it's up to you, I think you have a feeling for the right pace as well. I'll take over again after I come back!

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 5:25 am

Good call Dusk Eagle!

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Maybe here now? I think "a" actually mostly connects, which is a bit awkward for White, but anything else allows Black to play "b", which seems even worse for White? Complicated stuff.

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