138. Pancake 4d vs Loons 1d

pancake · Post by **pancake** » Sun Oct 16, 2011 2:56 pm

Hmmm, nice move. But I still think he should continue on the bottom after the exchange. So my first thought would be to play a. I think reducing around b is slow and small. c is also still big.

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Let's examine a.. If black responds at a instead of 2, it's a good exchange and I will play on the left. So the only option would be like this. It looks really hard, but let's look at a few possibilities.

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This is more or less a one way street, and it doesn't look good for me. I should play at a to connect, so he'll make his group facing the center safe.

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This looks promising. If 2 at a, 3 b 5. If he cuts at c, I can squeeze on the outside, make him capture my 2 stones and his 2 marked stones will be as good as dead.

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But he can play like this instead, which is very bad for me

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So this is the only option for me, I think.

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Black 8 is overplay, since after a, he doesn't have the ladder at b. (4 at the marked stone)

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So I guess I can play the keima I want to play!

Ah, by the way, if he tenukis:

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EEEExcelent for me.

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No problem, I suppose you had a valid reason

Loons · Post by **Loons** » Sun Oct 16, 2011 5:05 pm

Thanks. Hopefully I'll come up with a move by tomorrow.

Loons · Post by **Loons** » Tue Oct 18, 2011 4:17 pm

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pancake · Post by **pancake** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 3:16 pm

Sorry I'm being slow now, didn't have much time yet. And the situation requires some reading!

pancake · Post by **pancake** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 1:10 am

I was thinking about the cuts at a and b. For the cut at a I need some preparation like the c-d exchange, but the cut doesn't seem promising to me. The cut for him on the lower side is fightable for me, plus he responded like a good submissive little boy already, so it shouldn't be too big. That's why I'll stick to my original plan of playing e.

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Loons · Post by **Loons** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 2:59 pm

Reading, reading...

Well, that stone is on a clearly nice spot, and I would now like to get A2 for my group's happiness and wellbeing. Eventually.

I have played a lot of moves around the marked white group, and need to look for the best followup. Maybe I can start at X? Where am I going with that, though?

On the left, I quite want to keep developing my moyo by playing some or all of the lettered sequence.

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Edit:
This is the result I need.

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I need to build influence in the direction of the arrow in sente in a way that reinforces the circled stones and avoids damaging the squared stones, then take gote playing the triangled stones.

Loons · Post by **Loons** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 6:51 pm

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pancake · Post by **pancake** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 2:43 pm

Sorry for being really slow. I had a busy week. This weekend was the preliminary tournament for the Dutch championships. I can proudly say I qualified

. Anyway, that's why I didn't have anytime for this game.. I will play a move tomorrow!

pancake · Post by **pancake** » Tue Oct 25, 2011 12:43 pm

Posts will be more regular now! (once everyday)

I obviously cannot ignore this move, so I'll just talk about what will happen if I respond here.
I think he's aiming at something like this if I answer on the side:

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I think it's not too big, but the bend at a feels nice for him afterwards, followed up by b.

If I just answer the peep, probably this will be the followup, he'll probably play it immediately. I will play something like a, to reinforce the shape later.

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This is annoying, because he can connect to the marked stone now. Before there was some cutting aji. So let's go back to the first diagram and look at my followup from there.

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I first want to exchange things in the lower left. There are a lot of details on this sequence, black might give more resistance, but it will end bad for him. Then I want to strike at what seems to be the vital spot with 8. If he plays a, I'll play b. If he plays b, I will play c, a and d will be miai. At least that was my first thought. If he plays a, then he can clamp my move d at e. It's not that easy to read out, but I think I won't get a good result.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 black: 1 white: 0 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . . . O . X . O . . . . . X . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . d c . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X e . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . g f X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . 3 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . 2 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . X O . . | $$ | . . X 5 . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . 6 4 . . . . . . . . a . 1 X . . . . | $$ | . X . O . O . . . X . . . O . , X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . O X . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . b . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

After counting, I think I can win if I just play calmly, so my 8 should be here to reinforce my group and threaten something on his lower side. If he reinforces at let's say a, then b makes it very small. with 8 I also aim at something like c-d-e-f-g. So this should be good for me.

Ofcourse there's also the possibility of him just tenuki'ing after I respond at the side. I think cutting will not be good for him:

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It looks like my 2 groups can fight separately. pushing at a might be sente, but makes me stronger. I will answer b at c. Because there is so much aji at e, I think it won't be hard for me to live.

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Loons · Post by **Loons** » Tue Oct 25, 2011 3:21 pm

Excellent, excellent. I can't promise I'll necessarily post a move every single day myself, though.

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A hitherto silent part of brain spoke up and announced that now was the time to tenuki (and gave what I felt was a very persuasive arguement).

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"Saving" the crossed stone seems very likely to give me good influence in gote, also in exchange for making the white group very strong.

If I'm going to take good influence in gote anyway, I can do it over here. But wait, there's more! By leaving my crossed stone, if/when white aggressively reduces my moyo or attacks the squared stones, he has the bad aji at 'a' for me to aim at. (This sounds a lot better than my normal plan for when white aggressively reduces my moyo:

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NB: I also did previously describe 45 as a "probe" which implies I have no strong commitment to *immediately* following it up locally.

PS: Linked image was from a random google image search, hopefully it hangs around.

~~PPS: 'a' directly may have been severe, but it's a scary and difficult fighting move, and I don't see that as necessary.~~

pancake · Post by **pancake** » Wed Oct 26, 2011 9:30 am

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Loons · Post by **Loons** » Thu Oct 27, 2011 1:24 am

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emerus · Post by **emerus** » Thu Oct 27, 2011 1:19 pm

both players:

Loons · Post by **Loons** » Thu Oct 27, 2011 2:59 pm

pancake · Post by **pancake** » Sun Oct 30, 2011 3:29 am

I didn't get a notification you played a move already, so there goes my promise of making a move every day

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I think I have 3 choices here. a,b and possibly tenuki. Emerus: I counted last time, but I forgot, so I will count again before deciding which move to play.
BLACK:
lower left: 8
lower right: 13
upper side: 28 solid, but it will probably be 10-15 points bigger at least. So I'll count 15 extra here.
total: 64
WHITE:
upper left: 21
upper right: 12
lower left: 13
right side: ~6
TOTAL: ~52 + komi, 58.5
So in my opinion I'm still behind. As I was from the start. I should try an active approach now to gain territory and reduce his.

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I think move a is really vulgar, this is what would happen

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Doesn't look good for me

Option b is the most standard reply:

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But I feel like this is helping him.

So if those two possibilities suck, where should I play then? I should keep in mind that if I tenuki, a would be sente for him. I feel like playing b, but my group on the right doesn't look very thick yet. Yet I think I have to take some risk here, since I'm behind. By the way, I don't know if b is the best point. The only way I can choose a good reducing move in this kind of situation is by intuition. Sometimes that ends in utter failure, sometimes it just happens to be good.

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