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by cyclops » Mon Oct 31, 2011 5:57 am
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previous match between these two players was played from 9 february till 19 march. Also then Araban was black and the first 3 moves were identical. Then MW played hoshi in the empty corner as he always does as white, he wrote, whatever blacks strategy. In the new game I would have preferred the colors reversed. Araban resigned after 110 moves. It seems he thought he the game was not decided until a fatal oversight of him. MW thought he (White) was already in control. Anyway it was an exciting game with a too sudden end. I promise I won't urge Araban to move
again .
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by Magicwand » Mon Oct 31, 2011 9:06 am
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by Solomon » Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:07 am
I intended to do hole myself in the library over the weekend for my microecon exam this week...but instead I went to Kim Myungwan's lecture+simul and went to a bar to watch SC2 -__-. So I'll be gone for a bit today and tomorrow.
$$Bcm31 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . | $$ | . . X , O . . O . X . X . . O , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . X . . . . X . . O . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm31 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . | $$ | . . X , O . . O . X . X . . O , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . X . . . . X . . O . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Sometimes the best way to figure out where you want to play is to put yourself in your opponent's shoes and see where he'd like to play if you didn't play in the area of interest. In this case:
$$Bcm21 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . | $$ | . . X , O . . O . X . X . . O , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . X . . . . X . . O . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . W . . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm21 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . | $$ | . . X , O . . O . X . X . . O , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . X . . . . X . . O . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . W . . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]This would be painful for me. So by jumping, not only am I keeping my group safe, but also making it harder for him to gain control of the center + his group on the right is still not totally safe. Neither is his group on the left.
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by p2501 » Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:12 am
Barcraft ftw!
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by Magicwand » Mon Oct 31, 2011 2:37 pm
$$Bcm31 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . | $$ | . . X , O . . O . X . X . . O , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . X . . . . X . . O . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm31 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . | $$ | . . X , O . . O . X . X . . O , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . X . . . . X . . O . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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by daniel_the_smith » Mon Oct 31, 2011 2:40 pm
It seems the last players to use this board didn't get all the stones back in the right bowls...
That which can be destroyed by the truth should be.
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by Magicwand » Mon Oct 31, 2011 2:45 pm
daniel_the_smith wrote: It seems the last players to use this board didn't get all the stones back in the right bowls...
yea..i fixed it.
i am going as i planned.
still i dont see myself ahead..but i am not behind.
below is what i expect from my opponent.
i want him to jump into my influence on left or bottom.
that way i can attack and get ahead.
$$Bcm31 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 3 2 4 . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . | $$ | . . X , O . . O . X . X . . O , X . . | $$ | . 5 . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . X . . . . X . . O . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . 6 . . . . . X . . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm31 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 3 2 4 . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . | $$ | . . X , O . . O . X . X . . O , X . . | $$ | . 5 . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . X . . . . X . . O . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . 6 . . . . . X . . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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by cyclops » Tue Nov 01, 2011 5:52 pm
SOS, going down, going down. Jump Araban, jump. (just some random remarks, not to be taken seriously )
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by Solomon » Tue Nov 01, 2011 6:21 pm
Well I did say I was going to be a gone for a bit yesterday and today
. Actually right now I'm just sulking over my poor exam performance after I took the exam a few hours ago at the time of this writing. I'm going to go to the teacher and see if I can make a compromise of sorts.
$$Bcm31 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 3 O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . | $$ | . . X , O . . O . X . X . . O , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . X . . . . X . . O . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm31 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 3 O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . | $$ | . . X , O . . O . X . X . . O , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . X . . . . X . . O . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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by yithril » Tue Nov 01, 2011 10:05 pm
@obs
I want to preface the following statements with the fact that I think so far everything is pretty even, and neither player seems ahead. I have a few stylistic differences with White and I feel uncomfortable dividing the top into a series of running battles. I just feel that there may be a better way to utilize all of his stones globally.
$$Wcm1 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . X . X . . O , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . 1 . . O . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . X . X . . O , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . 1 . . O . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]I might play at 1 to emphasize using White's lower right stones. The reason for that is this: I know the top Black group can be squeezed and pushed into my influence. At the same time, I don't see the real benefit of that with Black's upper left 3-4 point. I feel like White running Black into the center diminishes his investment in the upper right. Black will stabilize the center group, it's 80% stable as it is. Some might say I would be ceding the top, but If I get the chance to play a big spot on the left, I think the trade would be okay overall.
Just some food for thought.
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by Magicwand » Wed Nov 02, 2011 2:39 am
$$Bcm31 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O 4 . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . | $$ | . . X , O . . O . X . X . . O , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . X . . . . X . . O . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
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by jts » Wed Nov 02, 2011 8:44 am
If Araban really wants to prevent W from stabilizing in the corner (the stated goal of
), he needs to add another move locally... otherwise MW can play B18 with quite large follow-ups, no?
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