L19 2011/2012 tournament: PAIRINGS and RESULTS

[lindentree]

Well, despite remarkably poor and careless play on my part, I somehow won against Marcus (who may have been a bit distracted at the time). Any comments or reviews would be greatly appreciated.

lindentree(W) vs. Marcus(B), W + 67.5

http://files.gokgs.com/games/2011/11/6/lindentree-Marcus316.sgf

[Joaz Banbeck]

18: This feels small. There are three other corners, so there must be something bigger. I'd leave the aji.

22-26: I like white's choice of joseki. The usual continuation is for black to play 27 somewhere around the side star point stone to attack C12. Because of white's position on the lower left side, that may not be to practical for black. OTOH, if black does tenuki, a future white play around there grabs easy territory and leaves black feeling a bit unsettled.

28: As with 18, it feels small. White has spent two moves turning a 0-point group into a 3-point group. Not a good investment of two stones at this temperature, IMO. Black could press down with E7 - in sente - and most of the benefit of K4 is gone.

96: If black exploits the weaknesses at D7, H16 and F17, he should live easily. Then you have two weak groups and L8 is a monster.

98: How were you planning on responding if black had noticed F17?

122: You don't have time for this. It separates two groups that are almost impossible to kill, and it is gote. Meanwhile, you have two eyeless groups that need help. How about O14 instead? If black had played just a bit more aggressively ( Q9 instead of O9, or maybe a hane at N14 ) you would have been toast.
Even after you manage to connect by killing K8/L8/M8, your upper right group still should have died. Black made it more difficult for himself to kill you around move 200, then gave up the kill-with-a-ko by not playing 249 at R13.
If Marcus polishes his attacking technique just a bit, he will crush you when you keep leaving groups hanging like this.

[crux]

I've won against Kirby, after some missed chances by both sides.

(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[2400]OT[10/300 Canadian]
PW[venkman]PB[Kirby]DT[2011-11-06]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]RE[W+Resign]
;B[pd]BL[2395.296]C[venkman [?\]: Have a good game!
Kirby [-\]: hi
]
;W[dp]WL[2389.191]C[Kirby [-\]: have a good game
]
;B[qp]BL[2390.048]
;W[dd]WL[2380.493]
;B[fq]BL[2387.138]
;W[hq]WL[2362.49]
;B[nq]BL[2361.814]C[Kirby [-\]: d17 just seemed interesting, i guess, joaz
]
;W[fp]WL[2336.98]
;B[cq]BL[2188.302]C[venkman [?\]: Not sure how to answer this...
]
;W[dq]WL[2243.258]C[venkman [?\]: Guess it must be here?
]
;B[cp]BL[2184.578]C[Bilapidate [1k?\]: Joseki is hane
]
;W[cr]WL[2177.974]C[venkman [?\]: Don't know. You got me out of book very early.
]
;B[br]BL[2181.78]
;W[dr]WL[2176.028]C[Bilapidate [1k?\]: At the other end
]
;B[cn]BL[2171.573]
;W[do]WL[2151.308]
;B[cm]BL[2167.691]C[Bilapidate [1k?\]: White looking overconcentrated here
Bilapidate [1k?\]: Black seems better by a bit
]
;W[qk]WL[2007.844]C[Mef [-\]: I think it's still even
]
;B[qi]BL[2070.529]
;W[qn]WL[2004.38]
;B[kq]BL[2065.338]C[Bilapidate [1k?\]: I liked black pushing from other side
]
;W[nc]WL[1965.572]
;B[pf]BL[2055.31]C[Mef [-\]: You mean r7?
]
;W[jd]WL[1920.23]C[Bilapidate [1k?\]: Yeah, R7
venkman [?\]: at this stage i was worried about how strong the lower white group is
venkman [?\]: i was somewhat relieved that L3 wasn't at K3
venkman [?\]: but at the moment i don't think black has anything strong there
Kirby [-\]: i thought about k3 instead of l3, but i was wary of m3 because of the aji around q3
venkman [?\]: yes... corner aji is there, somewhere...
Kirby [-\]: so
venkman [?\]: well, my thinking was that black is committed to territory in the upper right
Kirby [-\]: hm
venkman [?\]: so a 3-3 invasion very soon would be good for W
venkman [?\]: i mean, let's look at it...
]
(;B[cf]BL[2047.667]
;W[df]WL[1899.593]C[Mef [-\]: I think in my heart I'd want r7 too (= but I I think B's sequence in game went a little smoother than r7-> r12 -> ?
Kirby [-\]: i wanted to do something on the top
venkman [?\]: as b lack?
Kirby [-\]: yep
venkman [?\]: hmm, don't know...
venkman [?\]: left side seems unattractive, agreed?
Kirby [-\]: c17 didnt' seem satisfying, and i felt wary aboutf17
Kirby [-\]: yeah
venkman [?\]: low strong stones and all...
Kirby [-\]: i felt the action was on top
venkman [?\]: switching to elsewhere at the top doesn't feel quite righat after this exchange
venkman [?\]: but hard to see a good continuation locally
Bilapidate [1k?\]: D15?
venkman [?\]: well, we can have a look at the result from this to decide whether it's really bad for black
]
(;B[dc]BL[1996.865]C[venkman [?\]: Is this some kind of known trick play?
Kirby [-\]: not that i know of
venkman [?\]: ok...
]
;W[cc]WL[1811.018]
;B[cd]BL[1984.446]
;W[ce]WL[1808.731]
;B[bd]BL[1982.283]
;W[bc]WL[1807.268]
;B[be]BL[1964.689]
;W[de]WL[1805.212]
;B[bb]BL[1954.699]
;W[db]WL[1782.306]
;B[ec]BL[1952.59]C[Bilapidate [1k?\]: Wow, new joseki
]
;W[cb]WL[1779.799]C[venkman [?\]: This was about what I'd read out. I figured this was OK for white?
Kirby [-\]: yeah, seems good for w
Bilapidate [1k?\]: Great for W
]
;B[cg]BL[1950.818]
;W[eb]WL[1772.441]C[Bilapidate [1k?\]: Dailyjoseki has no record of the contact play at D17
venkman [?\]: oops, forgot a16
]
;B[dg]BL[1900.999]
;W[ad]WL[1768.907]
;B[af]BL[1896.774]C[Kirby [-\]: what would you have played after d14, venkman?
]
;W[fc]WL[1759.843]C[Mef [-\]: almost feels like a trick
HKA [2d\]: net
Mef [-\]: a trick, except w did better
venkman [?\]: btw, if anyone wants control...
]
;B[ed]BL[1819.813]C[HKA [2d\]: no, this is not better
HKA [2d\]: this is disaster
]
;W[fe]WL[1745.22]
;B[eg]BL[1817.277]
;W[ff]WL[1743.394]
;B[on]BL[1792.448]C[Bilapidate [1k?\]: Maybe B at G4, get F5 in sente, make moyo
]
;W[ok]WL[1688.606]
;B[pl]BL[1786.073]C[Bilapidate [1k?\]: BTW, I think you guys are saying the same thing
]
;W[pk]WL[1634.586]C[Bilapidate [1k?\]: Better for W, disater for B
Mef [-\]: HKA is saying W didn't just do better, w did much better (=
]
;B[rm]BL[1766.384]C[HKA [2d\]: "better", to me, implies some slight advant
HKA [2d\]: this is beyond that, it is not playable
HKA [2d\]: and e16 was a nonread
]
;W[qq]WL[1597.091]C[venkman [?\]: it felt like there should be something in the corner...
venkman [?\]: probably dozens of variations if we examine all semi-plausible starting poitns
]
;B[rq]BL[1751.621]C[Mef [-\]: The simplified shape is close to a joseki exchange....but with the capture w's stones are basically unattackable...while b's are...
Bilapidate [1k?\]: Is hane best here? I'd just extend
]
;W[rp]WL[1503.349]C[Bilapidate [1k?\]: Because of O3, W dies in corner, right? If B had extended...
Kirby [-\]: after s3 s4 s5 q4 t4 r5 s4, i thought you would q2
]
;B[ro]BL[1603.6]
;W[pp]WL[1494.36]
;B[sp]BL[1591.682]
;W[qo]WL[1491.877]C[Kirby [-\]: i don't know if anything works out from it
]
;B[rp]BL[1586.031]C[HKA [2d\]: well, white may be reading too much into the success at the top
Mef [-\]: this is not how I pictured the corner playing out....
HKA [2d\]: either that or he is stronger than me
Mef [-\]: o4?
Bilapidate [1k?\]: W has choice to make: go north or go west.
HKA [2d\]: o4 is possible
Bilapidate [1k?\]: Abandon R3 or R5/R6. Not easy choice
HKA [2d\]: but not good enough for this to have been a good plan I think
Mef [-\]: I don't think W was expecting S3
venkman [?\]: well, i suppose i can pull out those stones if i really want
Kirby [-\]: i guess i would just cut at q5
venkman [?\]: O4 or something
Kirby [-\]: true
venkman [?\]: but O4 P3 P4 Q3, and it's hard to see what White is achieving
venkman [?\]: So I decided I'd leave it for later...
Kirby [-\]: ok
venkman [?\]: P3 is probably ko for life or escape, that seems like a vaguely reasonable target
]
(;W[gh]WL[1179.91]C[Bilapidate [1k?\]: Q5 maybe?
HKA [2d\]: there was no plan
HKA [2d\]: not q5, a bad shape connection
HKA [2d\]: gain weight without muscle
Bilapidate [1k?\]: Maybe plan was to save the aji? Lots of it there.
Kirby [-\]: i htought about just f11 here
Kirby [-\]: but i thought it was a bad idea
venkman [?\]: I think if we both surround, my area is probably bigger
Kirby [-\]: yeah
venkman [?\]: O15 next is attractive
Kirby [-\]: for w i thought
Kirby [-\]: right?
]
(;B[lc]BL[1530.615]C[Mef [-\]: sacrificing a group to save aji sounds a little rough (=
venkman [?\]: Oh, O15? yes
venkman [?\]: i don't know. Is black supposed to live here, with W thickness to the left?
]
;W[ld]WL[1154.182]C[HKA [2d\]: yeah, I had a group, I will turn it inot aji in sente
Kirby [-\]: i mean, after g12, i would f11, but then if you g11 and i play say f10, you can o15 and it's too good for you
]
;B[md]BL[1517.265]
;W[mc]WL[1143.572]
;B[kd]BL[1508.204]
;W[le]WL[1134.697]
;B[kc]BL[1502.404]
;W[ke]WL[1132.704]C[Kirby [-\]: i have no idea
]
;B[jc]BL[1489.848]C[HKA [2d\]: I do not like this for white, unless he is sure he can kill
]
;W[ic]WL[1108.259]
;B[ib]BL[1475.683]
;W[id]WL[1102.992]
;B[mb]BL[1466.545]
;W[nb]WL[1099.146]C[Mef [-\]: it's starting to make P9 look more useful though
Bilapidate [1k?\]: W gets R17, maybe 3-stone wall becomes useful now.
HKA [2d\]: well, there is a difference between not giving black power to attack
HKA [2d\]: and giving black too much
Bilapidate [1k?\]: M18?
venkman [?\]: don't know...
]
(;B[kb]BL[1414.871]C[Bilapidate [1k?\]: O15 is honte
]
;W[ma]WL[1022.794]
;B[la]BL[1411.995]
;W[lb]WL[1018.869]C[Mef [-\]: W was using the lower right to prepare for a ko (=
]
;B[ef]BL[1394.474]
(;W[ee]WL[1013.685]
;B[mb]BL[1392.196]C[Bilapidate [1k?\]: LOL
HKA [2d\]: corner is open, o15 would be too small for white
HKA [2d\]: r17 is maybe doable, if white is not confident of the ko
]
;W[ei]WL[882.625]
;B[na]BL[1379.139]
;W[ci]WL[880.73]C[venkman [?\]: So I suppose the threat wasn't small, but it's still somewhat unsatisfying
]
;B[bi]BL[1369.038]C[Bilapidate [1k?\]: Wow. K quick to evaluate ko threat
]
;W[bj]WL[859.862]
;B[bh]BL[1365.207]C[HKA [2d\]: not really
Mef [-\]: e11 is a vague grasping at straws ko threat
HKA [2d\]: white has all the nasty of c5
]
;W[cj]WL[852.042]
;B[bg]BL[1357.864]C[HKA [2d\]: he might have been relieved
HKA [2d\]: still, a big threat
HKA [2d\]: r17 now I think
]
;W[qc]WL[817.305]
;B[pc]BL[1351.163]C[Mef [-\]: as long as w still has o15, r17 stings
Mef [-\]: s16?
venkman [?\]: Thank you Mef, I think that's the one I was looking for.
]
(;W[qd]WL[796.773]
;B[qe]BL[1347.379]
;W[pb]WL[793.668]
;B[ob]BL[1344.91]C[Bilapidate [1k?\]: W going wrong direction, IMHO.
]
;W[re]WL[746.123]
;B[rf]BL[1341.831]C[Bilapidate [1k?\]: Builed wall on outside, let B live.
]
;W[rd]WL[744.16]C[Bilapidate [1k?\]: Wall along O-file makes big moyo
Mef [-\]: I thought you meant dying in the corner.....
Mef [-\]: as the wrong direction
Bilapidate [1k?\]: I did
Mef [-\]: (=
Bilapidate [1k?\]: Even living in corner is wrong dir
Bilapidate [1k?\]: B will move out into center around O12, stranding 3 W stones
Bilapidate [1k?\]: Cmon Kirby, tenuki!
HKA [2d\]: no reason not to take q18
Mef [-\]: S18?
HKA [2d\]: I think the corner invasion was fine - perhaps too soon
]
;B[pa]BL[1139.838]
;W[qg]WL[734.216]
;B[qf]BL[1135.335]C[HKA [2d\]: the three stones are too heavy to have real white moyo ambitions
]
;W[qb]WL[710.472]C[HKA [2d\]: now, does s18 give any joy
Mef [-\]: t15 makes an l shape...
Bilapidate [1k?\]: Ko, I think
HKA [2d\]: yes, white at least has a ko
]
;B[se]BL[1079.979]C[HKA [2d\]: death in the hane....
]
;W[qa]WL[678.113]C[HKA [2d\]: that is the problem
Bilapidate [1k?\]: Textbook dead now
HKA [2d\]: better to just take the stone in sente than do this
HKA [2d\]: how does black kill?
]
;B[sb]BL[1036.097]C[Mef [-\]: I think q19 at s18 would have been problematic?
HKA [2d\]: poor
HKA [2d\]: p17
]
;W[oc]WL[655.074]C[HKA [2d\]: I might have t 17 first
HKA [2d\]: but this should be fine
HKA [2d\]: I have a lot of books, but I do not have that textbook
Bilapidate [1k?\]: I missed P17
HKA [2d\]: so did Kirby
]
;B[nd]BL[957.754]
;W[oa]WL[651.769]
;B[od]BL[947.945]
;W[ma]WL[650.346]C[HKA [2d\]: I did not see it until whit played r19 myslef
Mef [-\]: ohhh, terrible ko
HKA [2d\]: this is why I would have just played t17
HKA [2d\]: still a little scary
HKA [2d\]: but I am a wimp
]
;B[fb]BL[845.479]C[Mef [-\]: R19-O16-T18 would've been an ok trade for B
]
;W[lb]WL[640.569]C[HKA [2d\]: of course
]
;B[gc]BL[840.807]C[HKA [2d\]: snapback
Mef [-\]: just h18?
Bilapidate [1k?\]: B could die on top side
HKA [2d\]: maybe l19 is playable
Bilapidate [1k?\]: Definitely
HKA [2d\]: white can live in the corner
HKA [2d\]: kill everyting
Bilapidate [1k?\]: Looks that way to me too
]
;W[ka]WL[543.538]
;B[fd]BL[833.922]C[Bilapidate [1k?\]: Venk agrees
]
;W[gd]WL[540.735]C[HKA [2d\]: dwonside is white gets a little thin with his ko threat sotnes
]
;B[fc]BL[825.472]C[HKA [2d\]: kirby should try to do something with that before resigning
HKA [2d\]: h17...
Mef [-\]: does W need to respond?
HKA [2d\]: well
]
;W[hc]WL[415.303]C[Mef [-\]: just fix on the outside
HKA [2d\]: if it is dead already
]
;B[ge]BL[814.093]
;W[fa]WL[412.801]C[HKA [2d\]: then h11 is a nice declaration of victory
]
;B[fg]BL[803.597]
;W[gb]WL[400.417]
;B[gg]BL[800.717]C[HKA [2d\]: take em off no fuss
HKA [2d\]: this is poor
HKA [2d\]: f11 maybe
Mef [-\]: now maybe B can run E11 into p9......
HKA [2d\]: something
]
;W[em]WL[368.878]C[Mef [-\]: but it's hard
HKA [2d\]: very
]
;B[gq]BL[784.947]C[HKA [2d\]: particulary witht he c5 gap aji
]
;W[gp]WL[364.774]
;B[hr]BL[782.61]C[Bilapidate [1k?\]: Even if B kills P9, is he not behind?
HKA [2d\]: this is tilt
HKA [2d\]: now white gets stronger
]
;W[ir]WL[352.166]
;B[iq]BL[779.685]
;W[hp]WL[349.81]
;B[jr]BL[777.985]
;W[gr]WL[346.515]
;B[is]BL[777.011]
;W[fr]WL[345.297]C[Bilapidate [1k?\]: W playing safe now
]
;B[mk]BL[768.432]C[Bilapidate [1k?\]: He knows he has win
HKA [2d\]: well this is where I REALLY get nervous
HKA [2d\]: this is a good move
Bilapidate [1k?\]: This is where I get overconfident
HKA [2d\]: and this is why I think any ambitions for moyo for white were unrealistic
]
;W[mj]WL[271.107]C[HKA [2d\]: too easy to pop the baloon by playing with this yarn
Mef [-\]: This is where I wish I counted more
]
;B[nj]BL[753.068]
;W[nk]WL[254.261]
;B[lk]BL[748.157]C[Bilapidate [1k?\]: O11
HKA [2d\]: might be able to sack them
HKA [2d\]: and kill the top black group
]
;W[ni]WL[206.1]
;B[oj]BL[744.544]C[Bilapidate [1k?\]: Sac the black stones
Mef [-\]: q11
HKA [2d\]: q11 is nice
HKA [2d\]: good call
HKA [2d\]: still maybe get an attack but give up less
HKA [2d\]: nice
HKA [2d\]: really good idea
Bilapidate [1k?\]: P11;Q10;Q11;R12?
]
;W[oi]WL[117.424]C[HKA [2d\]: ahhh
]
;B[pj]BL[737.657]C[HKA [2d\]: my stupid plan
]
;W[pi]WL[93.79]
;B[qj]BL[735.598]
;W[qh]WL[92.232]
;B[rk]BL[727.735]
;W[ri]WL[89.312]
;B[rj]BL[726.089]C[HKA [2d\]: p13 I guess
]
;W[og]WL[54.275]C[HKA [2d\]: but the lower right is huge
HKA [2d\]: this is not how you wrap up a win
Mef [-\]: q11 n11 p11 m10 r12 is what I wanted, but this looks like it might work
Bilapidate [1k?\]: Still has aji at R8
HKA [2d\]: I think r8 just makes it worse
HKA [2d\]: plus s12 is sente for white
HKA [2d\]: mef had the winning move i think
]
;B[ng]BL[636.468]C[HKA [2d\]: i guess this is big enough
HKA [2d\]: but one mistake and Kirby is in business
Mef [-\]: it's a fine line for w to walk
Bilapidate [1k?\]: W N11, and where are B's eyes?
HKA [2d\]: yes should be ok
Bilapidate [1k?\]: Cmon, Venk, play solid
]
;W[mi]WL[255.591]OW[9]
;B[of]BL[603.15]
;W[pg]WL[230.765]OW[8]C[Mef [-\]: hm
]
;B[jn]BL[553.232]
;W[im]WL[191.339]OW[7]
;B[jm]BL[543.179]C[Bilapidate [1k?\]: Another safe W move
]
;W[oq]WL[176.007]OW[6]C[HKA [2d\]: so much for that
]
;B[qr]BL[534.58]
;W[pr]WL[174.022]OW[5]
;B[pq]BL[530.846]
;W[jl]WL[167.388]OW[4]C[Bilapidate [1k?\]: Why do rich men pick fights?
Loki [3k\]: because fighting is fun
]
;B[kl]BL[509.113]
;W[qq]WL[165.256]OW[3]C[Mef [-\]: I lazily count W+15-20?
]
;B[rh]BL[503.081]
;W[rg]WL[152.84]OW[2]
;B[pq]BL[500.173]
;W[co]WL[137.418]OW[1]
;B[bo]BL[496.777]C[Bilapidate [1k?\]: If things go wrong in the center, B M12 could be a problem for W
]
;W[qq]WL[300]OW[10]C[Mef [-\]: oh wait, didn't look at captures....make that 25
]
;B[rr]BL[491.063]
;W[bs]WL[292.114]OW[9]
;B[ar]BL[486.574]C[Bilapidate [1k?\]: B3!
]
;W[bl]WL[263.738]OW[8]
;B[bm]BL[480.349]C[HKA [2d\]: komi.....
HKA [2d\]: make it thirty....
]
;W[in]WL[184.275]OW[7]
;B[jk]BL[471.242]C[Bilapidate [1k?\]: Back to solid
HKA [2d\]: t12 is actually very big
HKA [2d\]: maybe double sente over there
]
;W[il]WL[149.444]OW[6]C[Bilapidate [1k?\]: T13 by B is interesting
]
;B[ki]BL[453.901]
;W[lh]WL[130.128]OW[5]
;B[kh]BL[449.321]C[Bilapidate [1k?\]: M13
]
;W[lg]WL[101.197]OW[4]
;B[si]BL[446.487]
;W[sg]WL[98.854]OW[3]
;B[io]BL[442.339]
;W[ik]WL[72.624]OW[2]
;B[ej]BL[431.708]
;W[fi]WL[57.646]OW[1]
;B[dl]BL[415.892]
;W[ek]WL[300]OW[10]
;B[el]BL[413.164]C[Mef [-\]: I figure Everything to the right of L line cancels except maybe the 4 stones captures stones for b.....w has 7x4 in the top left, 10 on bottom, let's say 10 in the middle..+10 for capture and komi so 60...B has 8 + 8 for those captures.... so 60 vs.16....eh might be 40...
]
;W[fk]WL[280.411]OW[9]
;B[fl]BL[407.933]
;W[jj]WL[277.237]OW[8]
;B[kk]BL[394.653]
;W[ip]WL[268.005]OW[7]
;B[jp]BL[392.412]
;W[cl]WL[225.638]OW[6]
;B[dm]BL[328.029]
;W[am]WL[212.508]OW[5]
;B[an]BL[324.892]
;W[al]WL[211.331]OW[4]
;B[ap]BL[298.528]
;W[kj]WL[197.605]OW[3]
;B[lj]BL[293.661]
;W[li]WL[192.343]OW[2]
;B[ih]BL[275.41]C[Bilapidate [1k?\]: W going to use his corner aji!
]
;W[ii]WL[181.538]OW[1]
;B[ji]BL[266.335]
;W[ij]WL[300]OW[10]
;B[ig]BL[253.739]
;W[kg]WL[295.963]OW[9]
;B[hh]BL[235.567]C[Bilapidate [1k?\]: Moves like K4, L7 and R8 look like fun
]
;W[km]WL[262.766]OW[8]
;B[ml]BL[228.154]
;W[np]WL[235.474]OW[7]C[Bilapidate [1k?\]:
]
;B[nr]BL[214.963]C[Mef [-\]: K4 looks challenging to me, never been able to balance the stones d=
]
;W[nn]WL[201.152]OW[6]C[Bilapidate [1k?\]: @Loki: you were right.
Kirby [-\]: even if i kill you, i think i am behind by 20 or so points
venkman [?\]: Thank you for the game.
Kirby [-\]: thank you for playing
Bilapidate [1k?\]: Thanks from the peanut gallery
venkman [?\]: No idea what the count is
Kirby [-\]: you are ahead by at least 20 or 30, i think
Loki [3k\]: Bilapidate: What do you mean?
Bilapidate [1k?\]: More
Kirby [-\]: i counted 80 something for me, and over 100 for you
venkman [?\]: Don't think it's quite that much, but I felt I was a bit ahead
venkman [?\]: Never have time for counting since I think too long...
Bilapidate [1k?\]: @Loki: Why rich men pick fights
Kirby [-\]: i think it was silly of me up on top
Kirby [-\]: that was a big mistake
venkman [?\]: Yes... I probably should have ignored your very first ko threat
Bilapidate [1k?\]: Kirby: why D17?
venkman [?\]: Got into hot water for a while
venkman [?\]: Brief review?
Kirby [-\]: sure
])
(;W[rd]
;B[pb]C[venkman [?\]: uh, but how to continue...
]
(;W[qe]
;B[pe]
;W[qf]
;B[qg]
;W[rg]
;B[rh]
;W[pg]
;B[qh]C[Mef [-\]: can W just jump?
])
(;W[qg]C[venkman [?\]: tempting
Kirby [-\]: well, i think i'm going to get going. i hate to leave in the middle of your review, but i've got an appointment. thanks again for playing
Kirby [-\]: see ya
venkman [?\]: that's alright
venkman [?\]: bedtime for me too
Mef [-\]: I was wondering
Mef [-\]: abotu jsut after this spot
]
;B[qf]
;W[rf])))
(;W[ka]
;B[ee]C[venkman [?\]: This must be good for me, right?
Kirby [-\]: yeah
]
(;W[qg])
(;W[qc]C[Kirby [-\]: seemed a mess
Kirby [-\]: i wonder if i could do something better with m17
])))
(;B[la])
(;B[lb]
;W[hb]
;B[jb]
;W[ka]
;B[nd]
;W[qc]C[venkman [?\]: m18 i think doesn't work, or do you have a better line?
]))
(;B[fi]
;W[gi]
(;B[fj]
;W[ne]C[Kirby [-\]: yes
venkman [?\]: better for W I think
])
(;B[me]
;W[ld]C[Kirby [-\]: that's why i figured i couldn't do f11
]
;B[fj]C[venkman [?\]: still OK for W?
Kirby [-\]: seems good for w, yeah
]
;W[qg]C[venkman [?\]: was hoping for this one after the Q8 peep
Kirby [-\]: cool
])))
(;W[fi]C[venkman [?\]: This?
Kirby [-\]: no
]))
(;B[dg]C[venkman [?\]: well, there is some kind of line where black gets overconcentrated on the side, i think, so I was hoping I'd rediscover that
]
;W[cg]C[Kirby [-\]: but not f17 for some reason
venkman [?\]: Kinda was hoping for this...
Kirby [-\]: i see
]
;B[be]C[venkman [?\]: err, how did it go...
]
;W[cd]
;B[ch]
;W[bg]
;B[ef]
;W[bf]
;B[de]
;W[ce]C[venkman [?\]: that's not it, is it?
venkman [?\]: good thing you played something else in the game
Kirby [-\]: hehe, i'm not sure
])
(;B[de]C[venkman [?\]: urgh
venkman [?\]: what happens here?
Bilapidate [1k?\]: Joseki is W C15
Mef [-\]: B needs a ladder
Mef [-\]: but I think he has it
venkman [?\]: E15 must be possible as well I think?
Kirby [-\]: probably just depends on the ladder
Kirby [-\]: what about before c14
Kirby [-\]: is c14 different than what you'd play?
]
;W[ee]
;B[ce]C[Bilapidate [1k?\]: Leaves too many cutting points
]
;W[ef]
;B[cd]
;W[cc]
;B[dc]
;W[ed]
;B[bc]
;W[cb]
;B[bb]
;W[db]C[Kirby [-\]: i still prefer w on top
venkman [?\]: yeah, the wall seems useful
venkman [?\]: i'd probably try for this as white if black played d15
Kirby [-\]: so how about backing up
venkman [?\]: black needs another move to avoid being shut in
]))
(;B[ss]C[Kirby [-\]: why is black committed to territory in the upper right?
venkman [?\]: just q18 feels slow
Kirby [-\]: what do you mean by that?
venkman [?\]: well, three stones encircling an area quite closely
Bilapidate [1k?\]: Feels small
venkman [?\]: if white takes away all that corner/side territory, it's seems like a big loss
Mef [-\]: I can never tell if a move like q18 is slow or calm (=
]
;W[qc]C[venkman [?\]: but the top right is almost black territory, and letting white take it all away... i'd be unhappy with that
Kirby [-\]: ok
]
;B[pc]
;W[pb]
(;B[qd]C[Kirby [-\]: so just q18 or something for black?
]
(;W[rc])
(;W[rb]
;B[rc]
;W[qb]C[venkman [?\]: gote though
]))
(;B[ob]
;W[qb]
;B[oc]
;W[re]
;B[nd]
;W[qf]
;B[pg]C[venkman [?\]: doesn't seem like black's wall is terribly useful?
]
;W[ok]C[venkman [?\]: maybe black has a better sequence
]))
(;B[lc]C[venkman [?\]: this maybe? more active than q18?
Kirby [-\]: so basically, since the stones are close to surrounding territory, it is committed?
venkman [?\]: that's what my thinking was, yes
Kirby [-\]: ok
Kirby [-\]: thanks
venkman [?\]: i never really like to play this one, but maybe it's right?
])
(;B[oo]C[venkman [?\]: could also defend&attack here
venkman [?\]: but white just jumps out...
Kirby [-\]: i like that better thn p6, i guess
venkman [?\]: i think this is some kind of standard shape
venkman [?\]: may be slightly overconcentrated with L3
Kirby [-\]: it never even occurred to me
])
(;B[fc]C[venkman [?\]: don't know about this... seems to go against some form of logic, but if we decide that the left side is uninteresting...?
])
(;B[hc]C[Kirby [-\]: hm, yeah
venkman [?\]: probably better here though
Kirby [-\]: why play on the left, good idea
]))

[jts]

"Let's each take one stone off of the board and toss it back in the bowl. I'll remove mine at Q5; you remove yours at D10."
Ignoring for the moment why black would make such a bizarre offer, and also ignoring the issue of whether or not it is legal, should white accept?

I thought about this for a while. It was a helpful analytical tool, even if I didn't reach an "Aha, it's obvious!" moment. The difficult point, to me, is that while clearly the stone at D10 is worth more than Q5 (not that Q5 was a mistake, but it served its purpose by allowing me to settle the corner), the aji of Q5 can be neatly wiped off the board in a single move, while D10 will still have aji even after I add a stone locally. Or, put a third way: if neither stone were on the board, it looks to me like d10 would still be a good play for white, even though I would be able to defend immediately, while q5 would be a dense play for black.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that d10 is a valuable stone with cool local follow-ups, and q5 is a worthless stone with hot local follow-ups.

But maybe I'm talking myself in circles.

[f4223n354]

have anyone seen aphelion around?
we haven't scheduled our game...
i think around 1 week ago he/she leave a message via kgs asking when i have time...
i already replied via kgs n via l19 pm but haven't got reply from him...
do any1 know his fb or some other social network so i can contact him...?
thanks

[Joaz Banbeck]

Also, does anyone know how to contact Kivi ( aka Kodomo on KGS )? He hasn't been on either site in weeks.

[Joaz Banbeck]

[Admin] NOTICE TO ALL PLAYERS: FOURTH ROUND PAIRINGS HAVE BEEN UP FOR MORE THAN TWO WEEKS. TO AVOID A FORFEIT, PLEASE CONTACT YOUR OPPONENT. IF YOU CAN'T CONTACT YOUR OPPONENT, PM ME. [/Admin]

[f4223n354]

he already reply... hope we can play our game soon...

[CSamurai]

TJ and I are tentatively scheduled for 8 AM EST, Friday the 11th (that is this friday.)

Sorry for the slow.

CSam

[Redundant]

Lorill and I will be playing in about 10 minutes.

[Redundant]

It was an interesting game, and I defeated Lorill by resign.

http://files.gokgs.com/games/2011/11/10/redundant-lorill.sgf

[oren]

I won against gurujeet by resign.

(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[2400]OT[5x40 byo-yomi]
PW[gurujeet]PB[oren]WR[6k]DT[2011-11-11]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[oren [?\]: have a good game
]RE[B+Resign]
;B[pd]BL[2386.318]C[gurujeet [6k\]: have a great game!
]
;W[dd]WL[2385.557]
;B[qp]BL[2381.916]
;W[dq]WL[2378.075]
;B[do]BL[2377.307]
;W[co]WL[2367.598]
;B[dp]BL[2368.262]
;W[cp]WL[2364.875]
;B[eq]BL[2366.857]
;W[dr]WL[2334.673]
;B[cn]BL[2310.119]
;W[dn]WL[2308.781]
;B[cm]BL[2294.657]
;W[dm]WL[2286.621]
;B[dl]BL[2243.527]
;W[fn]WL[2237.653]
;B[fo]BL[2224.215]
;W[er]WL[2188.584]
;B[fq]BL[2217.778]
;W[el]WL[2140.689]
;B[dk]BL[2194.964]
;W[go]WL[2131.147]
;B[eo]BL[2155.004]
;W[hq]WL[2079.921]
;B[en]BL[2148.868]
;W[em]WL[2073.531]
;B[fm]BL[2147.507]
;W[fl]WL[2021.101]
;B[gn]BL[2143.916]
;W[gm]WL[2018.597]
;B[fn]BL[2142.441]
;W[gl]WL[2001.334]
;B[hn]BL[2129.832]
;W[fj]WL[1956.351]
;B[fr]BL[2124.181]
;W[kq]WL[1940.931]
;B[br]BL[2111.967]
;W[bq]WL[1929.601]
;B[cr]BL[2106.352]
;W[cq]WL[1895.132]
;B[bo]BL[2102.461]
;W[cs]WL[1845.291]
;B[bs]BL[2095.571]
;W[es]WL[1819.077]
;B[ds]BL[2033.319]
;W[ar]WL[1795.293]
;B[cs]BL[2028.371]
;W[bp]WL[1785.815]
;B[bn]BL[2005.888]
;W[ap]WL[1779.102]
;B[ci]BL[1983.879]
;W[cg]WL[1746.789]
;B[ei]BL[1973.022]
;W[fi]WL[1713.189]
;B[eh]BL[1966.653]
;W[jn]WL[1699.057]
;B[im]BL[1964.143]
;W[ik]WL[1690.666]
;B[jm]BL[1953.197]
;W[kn]WL[1678.561]
;B[kk]BL[1949.514]
;W[op]WL[1646.936]
;B[fh]BL[1930.485]
;W[ii]WL[1631.277]
;B[ki]BL[1924.776]
;W[gh]WL[1598.751]
;B[gg]BL[1921.291]
;W[hg]WL[1578.9]
;B[hh]BL[1916.644]
;W[gi]WL[1574.606]
;B[ih]BL[1914.139]
;W[hi]WL[1518.811]
;B[jh]BL[1906.9]
;W[hm]WL[1507.067]
;B[il]BL[1878.018]
;W[ej]WL[1461.719]
;B[dj]BL[1855.936]
;W[ek]WL[1455.718]
;B[hk]BL[1831.871]
;W[hl]WL[1448.384]
;B[ij]BL[1829.659]
;W[hj]WL[1429.032]
;B[gk]BL[1821.385]
;W[jj]WL[1423.973]
;B[jk]BL[1817.204]
;W[in]WL[1404.12]
;B[hp]BL[1775.129]
;W[gp]WL[1323.953]
;B[gq]BL[1719.179]
;W[ho]WL[1317.35]
;B[ip]BL[1715.549]
;W[io]WL[1304.378]
;B[hr]BL[1696.086]
;W[fp]WL[1285.144]
;B[ep]BL[1693.901]
;W[iq]WL[1225.171]
;B[ir]BL[1691.234]
;W[jq]WL[1181.177]
;B[gr]BL[1626.803]
;W[jr]WL[1158.075]
;B[ji]BL[1623.261]
;W[is]WL[1128.197]
;B[gj]BL[1610.426]
;W[hs]WL[1100.81]
;B[ij]BL[1607.886]C[oren [?\]: thanks
gurujeet [6k\]: thanks!
oren [?\]: you should have won that
gurujeet [6k\]: yes....bad read at the end
oren [?\]: I got lucky
oren [?\]: I made bad read in bottom left too
oren [?\]: need to do more life and death again
gurujeet [6k\]: probably not a best game on either side )
oren [?\]: well, it's late
oren [?\]: I got to do some errands. Thanks for the game
gurujeet [6k\]: fun though...good luck in the tournament
])

[tj86430]

TJ and I are tentatively scheduled for 8 AM EST, Friday the 11th (that is this friday.)

Sorry for the slow.

CSam

I think we have a problem. You said EST is GMT-4, but all sources say that it is GMT-5. Therefore our game, that was scheduled to start at 2pm GMT+2, and should start in 36 minutes, is according to my calculations 7 AM EST and not 8 AM EST.

Well, we'll soon find out.

[crux]

http://ywchoe.com/L19.html

here is beta version of alternative tournament bracket

...
http://hiddema.nl/l19.html

I think it's a pity that all of these are defunct now.

[tj86430]

TJ and I are tentatively scheduled for 8 AM EST, Friday the 11th (that is this friday.)

Sorry for the slow.

CSam

I think we have a problem. You said EST is GMT-4, but all sources say that it is GMT-5. Therefore our game, that was scheduled to start at 2pm GMT+2, and should start in 36 minutes, is according to my calculations 7 AM EST and not 8 AM EST.

Well, we'll soon find out.

Apparently I was right, and CSamurai's timezone is indeed GMT-5 and not GMT-4.