Trying to become pro

RBerenguel · Post by **RBerenguel** » Wed Nov 30, 2011 9:59 am

Robert, I add you to my list of future teachers then

Leyleth's thread is very useful for me so far

Leyleth · Post by **Leyleth** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:16 am

No time to play, no time to play... Can't wait finishing school!

emeraldemon · Post by **emeraldemon** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:35 pm

Have you tried playing on DGS? Some people don't like it, but I think it's good if you don't have a lot of time to devote to playing. I'll gladly play a game with you

illluck · Post by **illluck** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 10:21 pm

Plug for another correspondence server: http://www.online-go.com

A smaller player base than DGS, but offers ladder and tournament system. Might be worth a try too if you are interested in turn-based play

Leyleth · Post by **Leyleth** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 11:15 am

I don't like the idea of turn based play. When I play, I like to see the movement of the stones. How they evolve. I also see the game as a discussion with your opponent. It should be made face to face (okay, seems weird to say such a thing on a forum, but

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Numsgil · Post by **Numsgil** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:32 pm

Nothing like 1500 games of server play to break any artsy-fartsy "feelings" one has about the game

OtakuViking · Post by **OtakuViking** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 9:39 am

Stop focusing on the end result and start focusing on the means of getting there.

Forget your goal and crack open that tsumego book (btw free tsumego at http://tsumego.tasuki.org/ )

Leyleth · Post by **Leyleth** » Sun Dec 11, 2011 9:24 pm

OtakuViking wrote:Stop focusing on the end result and start focusing on the means of getting there.

Forget your goal and crack open that tsumego book (btw free tsumego at http://tsumego.tasuki.org/ )

That's exactly what I said I was going to do when school's over...

Today, I noticed I had a weird taste for some cosmic go (fighting while off balance). Maybe my moves are mistakes. However, I managed to pull them off against a 3 dan, today. Was happy even though I lost by 21 points (with 3 handicap)

Sur · Post by **Sur** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 2:00 am

Who are those 2-dans and 3-dans? 1-kyus I know would crush you on 9 stones every single time. Don't let yourself to be carried away by thinking you are actually near dan level. You are nowhere near. Show some respect! Reaching dan level and pro level is so much harder than you think. Hikaru no Go is a great tale for kids, but reality is so much harder.

karaklis · Post by **karaklis** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 3:45 am

Sur wrote:Who are those 2-dans and 3-dans? 1-kyus I know would crush you on 9 stones every single time. Don't let yourself to be carried away by thinking you are actually near dan level. You are nowhere near. Show some respect! Reaching dan level and pro level is so much harder than you think. Hikaru no Go is a great tale for kids, but reality is so much harder.

No need to say that. Disillusion will come anyway, earlier or later.
Better to get disillusioned when already amateur dan than at mid- to low sdk level :mrgreen:

Leyleth · Post by **Leyleth** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 3:02 pm

Sur wrote:Who are those 2-dans and 3-dans? 1-kyus I know would crush you on 9 stones every single time. Don't let yourself to be carried away by thinking you are actually near dan level. You are nowhere near. Show some respect! Reaching dan level and pro level is so much harder than you think. Hikaru no Go is a great tale for kids, but reality is so much harder.

Thx you for your support... Those dans players are some "real" dan players. They got their rating in tournaments (real life ones) all across Canada. When I talk at the go club, I'm talking about real life go. Improving my KGS rating by 2-3 kyu to get my level in real life (my friend who's 6d and got second place in a recent tournament in France told me there was this difference between my 2 levels of play.

I know I still got to improve. I know I'm very far from being a dan player. You won't learn me anything by that. However, I won't let such details get in my way. If you want to stop progressing because the goal seems "too far", then it's your decision. Having 3 stones against a 2d player is unacceptable, in my opinion. I will keep on climbing. I will get stronger. And I'm wondering how you can judge my level just like that, Sur... You never played against me and probably never saw me play in real life. Once I stomp you, maybe you'll start to understand...

OtakuViking · Post by **OtakuViking** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 3:17 pm

Leyleth wrote:You never played against me and probably never saw me play in real life. Once I stomp you, maybe you'll start to understand...

Stupid trolling doesn't impress me or anyone else. Frankly my dear, it makes me sick to my stomach.

On a more friendly note, talking about getting stronger and actually getting stronger are two entirely different issues. If you want to get stronger spend more time solving tsumego puzzles and reading go books and less time trash talking.

Sur · Post by **Sur** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 3:47 pm

Leyleth wrote:
Sur wrote:Who are those 2-dans and 3-dans? 1-kyus I know would crush you on 9 stones every single time. Don't let yourself to be carried away by thinking you are actually near dan level. You are nowhere near. Show some respect! Reaching dan level and pro level is so much harder than you think. Hikaru no Go is a great tale for kids, but reality is so much harder.

Thx you for your support... Those dans players are some "real" dan players. They got their rating in tournaments (real life ones) all across Canada. When I talk at the go club, I'm talking about real life go. Improving my KGS rating by 2-3 kyu to get my level in real life (my friend who's 6d and got second place in a recent tournament in France told me there was this difference between my 2 levels of play.

I know I still got to improve. I know I'm very far from being a dan player. You won't learn me anything by that. However, I won't let such details get in my way. If you want to stop progressing because the goal seems "too far", then it's your decision. Having 3 stones against a 2d player is unacceptable, in my opinion. I will keep on climbing. I will get stronger. And I'm wondering how you can judge my level just like that, Sur... You never played against me and probably never saw me play in real life. Once I stomp you, maybe you'll start to understand...

I actually believe your disillusion can hurt your progress, so I'm trying to open you eyes. Everyone playes better in live serious games, it's not only you. Your KGS rank actually tells something however much you choose to ignore this fact. If you like real life players so much, let me tell you that KGS 7-kyu is only 13-kyu at EGF tournaments in my country. That's the reason I can't possibly believe in your dan players strength.

If it's unacceptable for you to play handicap games against 2-dan, you are being very rude to strong players. It's considered to be a heroic achievement to reach shodan in two or three years in my country and very few actually did it so fast. And here you are after few months of playing claiming that you are near dan level strength and on his way to become a pro.

When you say you are "creaming" KGS 7-kyus by 70 points, it may not be because you are that much better. It may be because you are overplaying and you opponents don't know how to punish your moves. If you were able to win your games by that much playing solid and calm moves, you wouldn't be 7-kyu. I saw a few of your KGS games and you tend to overplay a lot.

If you want some advice how to improve, mine is playing on different servers. I don't like KGS much because players at kyu levels play ugly and impolite go in my opinion. I like IGS where most players are from Japan. They seem to have a very good feel of the game and are playing very nicely. Try IGS and look. Then I have to recommend playing on Tygem, korean server. They are natural fighters and will attack your every group even if they shouldn't. It's nice place to learn fighting and playing solidly.

Another advice is not try to become a pro just right now. You are still in the beginning and go changes as you reach higher and higher levels. You may see this game very differently once you reach another level of your play and then it changes again when you grow even more. High level go may be completely different game than how you see it now.

I may seem a little bit harsh, but seeing everyone supporting you, I thought someone should take the other side and tell you off.

Website · Post by **Chew Terr** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 3:51 pm

Hey, both sides? Cool off and relax. Surely both sides have been underrated at some point and expected to rank up soon, and both sides have similarly realized they weren't quite as good as they may have thought, before. Regardless, there's no reason here to be so harsh to each other. Cool off, and give the benefit of the doubt, please.

daniel_the_smith · Post by **daniel_the_smith** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 3:57 pm

Sur, I have to say, that comes across really nasty. You might consider toning that down if it's not what you intended.

Gah, ninja'd

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