Dragonpie vs. Soutkin: a KGS game.

Puppycakes · Post by **Puppycakes** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 4:21 pm

This guy asked me for pointers. I figured that I'd post it here and see if we could get some from somebody stronger than me.

emeraldemon · Post by **emeraldemon** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:57 pm

Sorry, I'm not stronger than you, but I wonder if black thought about this sequence for 49:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm49 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X X O O X X O . | $$ | . . O , . O . . . O . O X . . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | 5 O 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 4 X O . . . . . , . . X . X , X . . | $$ | . 6 X O . . . . . O . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Not sure about the exact placement of :55: , but I think overall this works well w/ black's shape. So much so that I don't think I would play the double hane as white here.

Puppycakes · Post by **Puppycakes** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 3:12 pm

Thanks, but I wasn't planning on that sequence. His move certainly surprised me.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm49 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X X O O X X O . | $$ | . . O , . O . . . O . O X . . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 3 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | 5 O 1 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . , . . X . X , X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I was going to try something like this to use my stone on the left better.

emeraldemon · Post by **emeraldemon** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 5:10 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm49 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X X O O X X O . | $$ | . . O , . O . . . O . O X . . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 3 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O 1 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . , . . X . X , X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Dusk Eagle · Post by **Dusk Eagle** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 6:40 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X X O O X X O . | $$ | . . O , . O . . . O . O X . . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X B . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | 2 O X W . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 1 X O . . . . . , . . X . X , X . . | $$ | . 3 X O . . . . . O . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Then it's as if black answered :wc:

with

, which is favorable for white.

mitsun · Post by **mitsun** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 8:12 pm

Some comments, mostly for B:

Move 19 is too soft on W, inviting him to make a perfect extension along the right side, into the direction B would like to develop. Blocking at R10 would be a more positive continuation, preventing W from making a base while staking out territory below. The natural continuation would be for both sides to jump into the center. B could then aim for a strong invasion at M17.

Move 41 is way too cautious and submissive, leaving B over-concentrated. W really has no strong attack here, but if B wants to defend, choose a more active move, like B15 or E11.

Move 56 is an overplay, inviting a strong counter-attack. Up to move 64, W gets into a difficult fight, which looks better for B. Rather than picking a fight here, W should just expand with a safe pressing move like D10 or E10. B is already over-concentrated here; do not give him a chance to use that thickness in a fight.

Move 63 was spectacular, congratulations to B for finding a very strong play. But then move 65 settles for a very small payoff, from a position which was worth far more. B must attack all four W stones on a large scale, not be satisfied with picking off a few crumbs. The hane at G11 seems like the vital point. B could prepare a really strong attack by first attaching at F15 or pressing at G15.

Puppycakes · Post by **Puppycakes** » Sat Dec 17, 2011 12:53 pm

Thank you for the comments. I do tend to lose move of my games because I fight too strongly in areas that I don't need to.

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