Life in 19x19 Title Tournament

[Dusk Eagle]

There seems to be only 40/48 slots taken if I am to believe the list in the first post, so put me down as a 1/2k player please . Any time settings work for me, though if I may offer an opinion I am a Canadian who prefers Japanese byo-yomi

Edit: I guess I'll go with 2k because that's what I currently am on KGS.

[HermanHiddema]

Bump!

Just a few more players! Come on people, join the fun!

[Phelan]

I like canadian because it's more flexible. <snip>
I dread having to play it offline, though. Counting stones and setting clocks to play must be a pain in the donkey if you never did it before.

It sounds harder than it is. Often in a real life tournament there are people around to help you count out stones and make sure it is all correct. (That has been my experience)

Only noticed the word filter today. Hilarious.

On topic, I'm looking forward to this tournament, since I need to play more on KGS.

[topazg]

As we have exactly 40, which works just as nicely as 48 (but with one less initial group), I would like to suggest that we call this the participation for the first title tournament and I start trying to separate groups, re-poll for more detail on time control, and start the idea of getting a schedule together.

Does this sound sensible?

If so, initial groups are:

Group 5

tabemasu (7d)
Araban (5d)
HermanHiddema (4d)
Violence (4d)
freegame (3d)
Magicwand (3d)
DeadTired (2d)
Jonas (1d) I've put Jonas in this one because he holds a 3d account on ORO, and it's as good an initial tiebreak as any

Group 4

zinger (1d)
topazg (1d)
lindentree (1d)
Shaddy (1d)
Kirby (1d)
quantumf (1k)
daniel_the_smith (1k)
Rafa (2k)

Group 3

dfan (3k)
Marcus (4k)
GoCat (5k)
MountainGo (5k)
Nikolas73 (5k)
k1ndofblue (5k)
padic (5k)
actorios (6k) I've put Actorios in group 3 because he's got the highest KGS graph rank out of the 6k players I have the KGS alias for

Group 2

fuchsnoir (6k)
SoDesuNe (6k)
Chew Terr (6k)
WatariWill (6k)
Li Kao (6k)
daal (7k)
oren (7k)
mosdefgo (7k)

Group 1

mic (8k)
tj86430 (8k)
rubin427 (8k)
Phelan (9k)
ChradH (9k)
Jordus (9k)
karaklis (10k)
POGO (10k)

Does this all sound sensible, and are there any objections?

Next stages of preparation:

1. Ruleset

Do we need a poll? Does anyone feel strongly for or against any rulesets?

2. Timing

I'm tempted to go for 40 minutes standard time. Because I want participation, I'm scoring the time controls as "positive votes" - "negative votes * 1.5", and get as follows:

240 + 5/5 -> 6 - 51 = -45
120 + 10/5 -> 8 - 48 = -40
90 + 10/5 -> 14 - 27 = -13
60 + 20/5 -> 25 - 15 = 10
50 + 20/5 -> 23 - 16.5 = 6.5
40 + 30/5 -> 28 - 18 = 10
30 + 30/5 -> 29 - 19.5 = 9.5

As 60, 40, and 30 all score very closely, I've gone for the middle of the 3. Does anyone strongly object to this, and will it cause some signed up players to pull out? Also, once we have agreed on the basic time, I'll open up overtime discussions.

3. Draw method

I'm going to pseudo seed, as there's no need for further than that because of the double elimination system. So, first round is group 1 vs group 2, but within groups each draw is random (so any one of group 1 could play any one of group 2). Similarly, the winners will be randomly ordered, and paired against a random member of group 3 for the following round. All loser's brackets will be done the same, with newcomers into the losers bracket playing people that were there in the previous round. Once the 5th group has entered, I intend on seeding the top 4 not to play until the semi finals, but other than that randomise. a) does this all make sense, and b) does this all seem reasonable?

4. Schedule

I'm envisaging allowing 2 weeks for each round?

5. Other stuff

What have I missed out?

[Phelan]

Seems ok to me.

Hope people take less than two weeks though.

As for ruleset, I propose AGA rules. I don't feel strongly about it, I'll play whatever ruleset you pick.

[dfan]

Looks good to me.

[oren]

I'll also second AGA ruleset.

[SoDesuNe]

I'm also fine with this.

I'd like to play by the japanese ruleset, because I know it. What the difference to AGA?

[oren]

I'm also fine with this.

I'd like to play by the japanese ruleset, because I know it. What the difference to AGA?

Fill in dame. There is no penalty for taking prisoners off the board since it uses pass stones to get area and territory scoring the same. It makes resolutions at end of game a bit easier.

[Chew Terr]

I'm also fine with this.

I'd like to play by the japanese ruleset, because I know it. What the difference to AGA?

Fill in dame. There is no penalty for taking prisoners off the board since it uses pass stones to get area and territory scoring the same. It makes resolutions at end of game a bit easier.

Also, if white passes first, he has to pass a second time after black passes.

[daniel_the_smith]

I like AGA rules too, but I'll be fine with anything.

Gee, I ended up in the second highest group? O.o

[MountainGo]

I'd prefer a byo-yomi of 20/5. Who's with me?

AGA rules is a good idea.

[Chew Terr]

I prefer 30/5.

[tj86430]

As we have exactly 40, which works just as nicely as 48 (but with one less initial group), I would like to suggest that we call this the participation for the first title tournament and I start trying to separate groups, re-poll for more detail on time control, and start the idea of getting a schedule together.

Does this sound sensible?

I believe Dusk Eagle also tried to express his interest to participate?

1. Ruleset

Do we need a poll? Does anyone feel strongly for or against any rulesets?

I'd prefer Japanese, but I can live with any other choice as well

2. Timing

I'm tempted to go for 40 minutes standard time. Because I want participation, I'm scoring the time controls as "positive votes" - "negative votes * 1.5", and get as follows:

240 + 5/5 -> 6 - 51 = -45
120 + 10/5 -> 8 - 48 = -40
90 + 10/5 -> 14 - 27 = -13
60 + 20/5 -> 25 - 15 = 10
50 + 20/5 -> 23 - 16.5 = 6.5
40 + 30/5 -> 28 - 18 = 10
30 + 30/5 -> 29 - 19.5 = 9.5

As 60, 40, and 30 all score very closely, I've gone for the middle of the 3. Does anyone strongly object to this, and will it cause some signed up players to pull out? Also, once we have agreed on the basic time, I'll open up overtime discussions.

40 minutes is fine. If we are using standard byo-yomi anything from 5x0:30 to 5x1:00 is fine, if Canadian then something like 5:00/20 - 5:00/30 or thereabouts.

3. Draw method

I'm going to pseudo seed, as there's no need for further than that because of the double elimination system. So, first round is group 1 vs group 2, but within groups each draw is random (so any one of group 1 could play any one of group 2). Similarly, the winners will be randomly ordered, and paired against a random member of group 3 for the following round. All loser's brackets will be done the same, with newcomers into the losers bracket playing people that were there in the previous round. Once the 5th group has entered, I intend on seeding the top 4 not to play until the semi finals, but other than that randomise. a) does this all make sense, and b) does this all seem reasonable?

No objection

4. Schedule

I'm envisaging allowing 2 weeks for each round?

Fine, although last week of July and first week of August I'm unavailable, should I still be playing.

[SoDesuNe]

I'm also fine with this.

I'd like to play by the japanese ruleset, because I know it. What the difference to AGA?

Fill in dame. There is no penalty for taking prisoners off the board since it uses pass stones to get area and territory scoring the same. It makes resolutions at end of game a bit easier.

So Dame are points?