151. Shadonra vs. illluck

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Re: 151. Shadonra vs. illluck

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[go]$$Bcm51 Prisoners: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . O X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . O X X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 8 . X . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . O . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I did not anticipate this move. In hindsight it does make sense because if I get this then both groups are comfortable. This does leave more weaknesses in his lower group, so I'll try to see if I can settle in sente.
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Re: 151. Shadonra vs. illluck

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[go]$$Bcm51 Prisoners: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . O X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . O X X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . 9 . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . O . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Now this is an interesting game. I'm poking here to make his shape a little worse. Let's see what I can get here.
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[go]$$Bcm51 Prisoners: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . O X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . O X X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X 0 . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . O . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I still have the connect, but I'd rather not play it now because it gives up quite a bit of stones. This seems to live, at the cost of weakening my top stones XD
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Re: 151. Shadonra vs. illluck

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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoners: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . O X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . O X X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . O 1 . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . O . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I did some reading, and it looks like I can cut something off.
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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoners: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . O X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . O X X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . 2 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . O . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Wow, just realized that the connect doesn't actually work because of atari and then double hane :p Then I guess I don't have much reason not to peep here.
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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoners: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . O X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . O X X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 3 X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . O . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoners: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . O X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . O X X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X 4 . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . O . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I don't think there's any other choices here for me. It feels like I'm mostly out of danger, but I do tend to die randomly in games (or rather, I tend to not realize the danger until it's too late :p).
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Re: 151. Shadonra vs. illluck

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I seem to be behind by quite a bit in terms of points, so I will have to try harder to complicate the situation.
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Re: 151. Shadonra vs. illluck

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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoners: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . O X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . O X X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . O . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
A bit more, and I'll turn my attention to the other group.
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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoners: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . O X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . O X X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . O . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
This seems to connect. The other hane does too, but the crosscut seems more difficult to handle (I see a ladder to lower left, but I didn't read very much as I think this connects more solidly).
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Re: 151. Shadonra vs. illluck

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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoners: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . O X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . O X X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X O 7 . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . O . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I've had this planned.
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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoners: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . O X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . O X X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X O X 8 . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . O . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I considered N13 as well, but it was getting really complicated and I don't really want to bet the game on that :p Not to mention that if I play N13 black will get really suspicious and will read very carefully since the cut is so obvious. This way it looks like I'm trying to be connected but there is still a cut potential to lure black. I think black's best move is probably something like L7 to connect his pieces and prepare for the cut.
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Re: 151. Shadonra vs. illluck

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M8 was my :w68: of choice; try and use Shaddy's weakness in this fight before he fixes it with this fight.

Edit: (Vaguely imagining this connect-out)
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[go]$$Bcm61 Oh, no reason to lead with :w68:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . O X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . O X X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X O X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . 0 O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 8 9 . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . O . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Re: 151. Shadonra vs. illluck

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Oh, and also, I forgot to mention. The connect also leaves a slightly stronger shape facing the top (though there's no real potential invasion there - I really wish I had extended as Uberdude recommends instead of let black capture now XD).

Another possible move for black is the keima slide at S10. Not only does the rob me of eyespace, but also makes the cut more dangerous because after the slide the black group isn't as worried about being disconnected.
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Re: 151. Shadonra vs. illluck

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White has two and a half weak groups. The plan is to hit them with a bat until the candy pops out.
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