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Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986

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black is a stronger player of them two.
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The greater the unknown"
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Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986

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[go]$$Bcm110 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O 5 . . . . . . X . O . |
$$ | . . X . X . O X . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


this was my move i choose in my last post but i didn't play it just because, i looked for moves that where maybe better like this one

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[go]$$Bcm110 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . 4 . . . . . . . X . O . |
$$ | . . X . X . O X . 5 . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . 6 . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


this reminds me of one of those 80% moves, and i love 80% moves but i ended up going with my instinct and after i played with those stones a little just to make sure he couldn't instant cut i found the hane is ok and its perfectly safe.

i think he will double hane, just to play strong because this position just turned into a brawl.

i just need to stay calm and focus because every move counts
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Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986

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[go]$$Bcm110 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . O . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X . . . . . . X . O . |
$$ | . . X . X . O X . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Not much choice here. Both the cut and the double hane fail.
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Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986

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[go]$$Bcm110 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . O . . O . . 7 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X . . . . . . X . O . |
$$ | . . X . X . O X . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

at first i was thinking
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[go]$$Bcm110 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . , O X X 9 8 O . . X . . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . O . . 6 7 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X . . . . . . X . O . |
$$ | . . X . X . O X 0 . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

but the cut can capture those two stones, thats probably why they say dont push from behind or build walls in gote

this move feels like good shape its a knights move that links up with the other two stones on the out side with a knights move connection.

although its not thick or strong its just good shape, i wanted to get moe at the top but pushing from behind didn't look good and the diagonal didn't do enough for me, this is lighter and easier to cut but it gets the job done.

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Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986

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Urk. Am I the only one who was really hoping for this?

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[go]$$Bcm110 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X . . . . . . X . O . |
$$ | . . X . X . O X 7 . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It seems to be the vital point. After that the knight's move is good, or if W plays around L15, B captures H14 and kills everything.
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Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986

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[go]$$Bcm110 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . O . . O . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X . . . . . . X . O . |
$$ | . . X . X . O X 8 . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Hmmm ... I thought he'd protect the cut somehow ... let's see if I can use the aji to make something useful. :)

We're into another one of those fun fights that could turn out great for me ... or terrible. Let's see how things go ... :mrgreen:
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[go]$$Bcm110 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . O . . O . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X . . . . . . X . O . |
$$ | . . X . X . O X O . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X 9 . O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I already thought about him cutting like this
two moves ago when i first made the hane and decieded it was safe to play and cut free
but now since i have the knights move stone in place its even better
here is my thought process

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[go]$$Bcm118 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . O . . O . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X 3 . . . . . X . O . |
$$ | . . X . X . O X O 2 . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X 1 . O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


its even better because i can connect out to my knights move, with my single stone like im my diagram.

if he ignores the double atari and play k14 i will just take the single stone

thats pretty much it next hand :study:
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[go]$$Bcm110 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . O . . O 0 . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X . . . . . . X . O . |
$$ | . . X . X . O X O . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X . O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Here's hoping I have enough ko threats ... what ko, you might ask? Well, we'll have to see. :)
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[go]$$Bcm120 Prisoners: :b2: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . O . . O O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X . . . . . . X . O . |
$$ | . . X . X . O X . 1 . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X . O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


ok he ignored the double atari
i could nobi and connect to my knights move stone
but i choose to capture that one stone and make a ponnuki
its much better shape, and u always want to
capture the cutting stone, its a vital part of go

now its getting late in the midgame and early in the endgame.
so im taking this time to start looking at the whole board to find the big moves

my top group is in danger but his center group is ripped apart
so its still alot of ways this can go

ok on to the next hand :study:
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[go]$$Bcm120 Prisoners: :b2: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O 2 . X . . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . O . . O O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X . . . . . . X . O . |
$$ | . . X . X . O X . X . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X . O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Nothing to see here ... move along ... don't mind the desperate point wrangling. :)
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[go]$$Bcm120 Prisoners: :b2: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O X . X . . 3 . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O O . X . . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . O . . O O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X . . . . . . X . O . |
$$ | . . X . X . O X . X . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X . O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


at first i was going to play

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[go]$$Bcm120 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O 2 . X . . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . O . . O O . X 3 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X . . . . . . X . O . |
$$ | . . X . X . O X . X . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X . O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


but then i realized that was not as important as helping out my top group thats almost completely enclosed, so my next thought was

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[go]$$Bcm120 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O X . X . 3 . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O 2 . X . . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . O . . O O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X . . . . . . X . O . |
$$ | . . X . X . O X . X . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X . O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


my concern here is with the top group making life

it a great move but then i saw the double knights move again!

the double knights move is perfect for making life and connecting to the outside.

i wonder what he is going to do now maybe, push out into the center

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[go]$$Bcm120 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O X . X . . 3 . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O 2 . X . . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . O . . O O . X 4 5 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X . 6 0 8 . . X . O . |
$$ | . . X . X . O X . X 7 9 . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X . O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


there is still alot of options
*thinking* :study:
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Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986

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[go]$$Bcm120 Prisoners: :b2: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O X . X . . X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O O . X . . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . O . . O O . X 4 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X . . . . . . X . O . |
$$ | . . X . X . O X . X . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X . O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Good! I'm glad he protected his upper group, though I only found a ko and no direct way to kill.

Now, we get to fight over how far I get into the center (again).
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Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986

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K15 makes miai to seal off the center?
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Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986

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[go]$$Bcm120 Prisoners: :b2: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O X . X . . X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O O . X . . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . O . . O O . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X . . 5 . . . X . O . |
$$ | . . X . X . O X . X . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X . O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


ha i found another nice pivot point i'll show u

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[go]$$Bcm120 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O X . X . . X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O O . X . . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . O . . O O . X O 0 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X 8 6 5 9 . . X . O . |
$$ | . . X . X . O X . X 7 . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X . O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Bcm120 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O X . X . . X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O O . X . . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . O . . O O . X 4 6 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X 0 8 5 7 . . X . O . |
$$ | . . X . X . O X . X 9 . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X . O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm120 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O X . X . . X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O O 8 X . . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . O . . O O . X 4 6 0 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X . 7 5 9 . . X . O . |
$$ | . . X . X . O X . X . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X . O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


seems simple enough but he might try something funny
im just glad i found it, after i played it out a few times it seems like the perfect move, its way better than my previous post *pat myself on the back*

but the basic principle behind pivots points is blocking off your oppponent from jumping in your moyo, finding the place to build walls to block off territory like in this situation.

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Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986

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jts:

Yes, it does. But it also gives black some terrible shape. The resulting aji left due to black's bad shape is very interesting. I think white should be able to get some compensation because of it.

White can first threaten a squeeze with :w1:

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[go]$$W First steps
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O X . X . . X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O O . X . . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . O . . O O B X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X . . 1 . . . X . O . |
$$ | . . X . X . O X . X . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X . O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |[/go]


Black cannot cut yet.

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[go]$$W (B6 fills)
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O X . X . . X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . 2 O O . X . . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . O . . O O X X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X 3 4 1 . . . X . O . |
$$ | . . X . X . O X . X 5 . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X 7 O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |[/go]


So black defends. I think :b2: is the best way - if black tries other things, white gets additional forcing moves around 'a', which helps white a lot in some of the upcoming variations. Then white connects at :w3: , damaging the marked black stone, and if black wants to cut with :b4: , he can only do so with another bad shape.

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[go]$$W
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O X . X . . X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O B . . . X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . 3 O O 4 X . . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . O . . O O X X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X 2 . O . . . X . O . |
$$ | . . X . X . O X . X a . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X . O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |[/go]


From here, I don't know exactly what white can do with the resulting position, but here are some variations.

White could try a cut and sacrifice first, and then :w7: looks fun.

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[go]$$W One way to start
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O X . X 4 1 X 5 . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O X 2 3 . X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . O O O X X 7 . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . O . . O O X X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X X . O . . . X . O . |
$$ | . . X . X . O X . X . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X . O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |[/go]


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[go]$$B A peaceful way. Can white (or black) do better?
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O X . X X . X O 1 2 . 8 . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O X X O . X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . O O O X X O . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . O . . O O X X O 3 4 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X X . O 5 6 . X . O . |
$$ | . . X . X . O X . X . . 7 . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X . O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |[/go]


If black resists, he gets into trouble as white breaks into the center in a much bigger way. :w6: is a nice way to connect back in sente, threatening ko-snapback, and also white has the wedge at 'a'.

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[go]$$B Black in trouble
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . 5 7 . 6 . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O X . X X . X O 1 2 . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O X X O . X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . O O O X X O . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . O . . O O X X O 4 3 8 a . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X X . O . 9 0 X . O . |
$$ | . . X . X . O X . X . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X . O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |[/go]



If black varies on the top but isn't careful enough, he might die on the top left in this sort of variation.

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[go]$$W Another path
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 4 8 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O X . X 2 1 X 5 9 . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O X 3 7 6 X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . O O O X X . . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . O . . O O X X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X X . O . . . X . O . |
$$ | . . X . X . O X . X . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X . O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |[/go]


Maybe black has better resistance, but I think white should be able to get something starting with :w1: and then in a lot of the resulting variations, the push at 'a' and the wedge at 'b' and maybe the peep at 'c' become very useful resources.

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[go]$$W Resources
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O X . X . 1 X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . O O O X X a . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . O . . O O X X O . . c b . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X X . O . . . X . O . |
$$ | . . X . X . O X . X . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X . O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |[/go]
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