#147 Marcus vs 1986

1986 · Post by **1986** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 9:54 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm130 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O X . X . . X . X X . O . O . | $$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O O . X O . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O O X X O . X . O . | $$ | . . O . O . . O O . X O O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . O X . X X O . . X . O . | $$ | . . X . X . O X . X X O X O O X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X . O . 9 . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Marcus · Post by **Marcus** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 4:42 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm130 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O X . X . . X . X X . O . O . | $$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O O . X O . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O O X X O . X . O . | $$ | . . O . O . . O O . X O O . 0 . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . O X . X X O . . X . O . | $$ | . . X . X . O X . X X O X O O X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X . O . X . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

1986 · Post by **1986** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 8:17 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm140 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O X . X . . X . X X . O . O . | $$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O O . X O . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O O X X O . X . O . | $$ | . . O . O . . O O . X O O . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . O X . X X O . . X . O . | $$ | . . X . X . O X . X X O X O O X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X . O . X . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O . . . 1 . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i got tired of just responding, so i broke away from the fight to defend some leaks that could arise, this moves just takes away his sente at J1 so he can't try nothing funny.

really im looking for some better moves, i have been playing with the stones again so far i got

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its almost endgame time so i need make moves that are more sharper and valuable

*take your time me*
:study:

schultz · Post by **schultz** » Thu Mar 01, 2012 4:56 am

Wot wot?

I understand his desire not to continue "following" Marcus, but with a move like this? What sequence is he reading that would actually require this move?

I'd be more inclined to keep up the pressure on white while you have him running.

A move that looks interesting for me:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O X . X . . X . X X . O . O . | $$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O O . X O . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O O X X O . X . O . | $$ | . . O . O . . O O . X O O . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . O X . X X O 1 . X . O . | $$ | . . X . X . O X . X X O X O O X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X . O . X . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Also, should he be so quick to give up the his two stones in the upper right?

For 1986:

1986 · Post by **1986** » Thu Mar 01, 2012 11:26 am

schultz

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm140 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O X . X . . X . X X . O . O . | $$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O O . X O . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O O X X O . X . O . | $$ | . . O . O . . O O . X O O . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . O X . X X O . . X . O . | $$ | . . X . X . O X . X X O X O O X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X . O . X . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O X X 3 . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O 2 1 . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

this ends in gote because shortage of liberties
but i want to play that move
so i played my move to take way his sente
and keep mine for the future

every move counts espically in that fight on the bottom

illluck · Post by **illluck** » Thu Mar 01, 2012 2:39 pm

Marcus · Post by **Marcus** » Thu Mar 01, 2012 7:27 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm140 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O X . X . . X . X X . O . O . | $$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O O . X O . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O O X X O . X . O . | $$ | . . O . O . . O O . X O O . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . O X . X X O . . X . O . | $$ | . . X . X . O X . X X O X O O X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X . O . X . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O 2 . . X . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

1986 · Post by **1986** » Fri Mar 02, 2012 12:08 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm140 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O X . X . . X . X X . O . O . | $$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O O . X O . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O O X X O . X . O . | $$ | . 3 O . O . . O O . X O O . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . O X . X X O . . X . O . | $$ | . . X . X . O X . X X O X O O X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X . O . X . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O O . . X . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

schultz · Post by **schultz** » Fri Mar 02, 2012 4:22 am

illluck wrote:
1986's game move is sente (so is almost any other local move).

I don't agree with 1986's explanation diagram, though. For one, that result is not gote for him. For another, if he thinks that's a gote result, what is the difference between that and the game move?

Edit: also, in the explanation diagram, seems like 41 should be at 42 instead.

Unicorn · Post by **Unicorn** » Fri Mar 02, 2012 10:36 pm

Black should just play like this:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O X . X . . X . X X . O . O . | $$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O O . X O . | $$ | 4 6 . , O X X . . O O X X O . X . O . | $$ | 3 2 O . O . . O O . X O O . O . . . . | $$ | 5 1 . . . O . O X . X X O . . X . O . | $$ | . . X . X . O X . X X O X O O X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X . O . X . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O O . . X . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

If black tries to live in the corner:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . 7 . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 5 O X O X . X . . X . X X . O . O . | $$ | . 9 X O O O X O X . . . X O O . X O . | $$ | . 3 8 , O X X . . O O X X O . X . O . | $$ | . 1 O . O . . O O . X O O . O . . . . | $$ | . 2 4 . . O . O X . X X O . . X . O . | $$ | . . X . X . O X . X X O X O O X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X . O . X . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O O . . X . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

He simply fails, so white just gets free points.

Also, his outside forcing moves aren't worth anything.

Marcus · Post by **Marcus** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 12:31 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm140 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O X . X . . X . X X . O . O . | $$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O O . X O . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O O X X O . X . O . | $$ | . X O . O . . O O . X O O . O . . . . | $$ | . 4 . . . O . O X . X X O . . X . O . | $$ | . . X . X . O X . X X O X O O X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X . O . X . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O O . . X . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

1986 · Post by **1986** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 2:15 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm140 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 5 O X O X . X . . X . X X . O . O . | $$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O O . X O . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O O X X O . X . O . | $$ | . X O . O . . O O . X O O . O . . . . | $$ | . O . . . O . O X . X X O . . X . O . | $$ | . . X . X . O X . X X O X O O X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X . O . X . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O O . . X . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Marcus · Post by **Marcus** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 5:12 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm140 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O C O X . X . . X . X X . O . O . | $$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O O . X O . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O O X X O . X . O . | $$ | . X O . O . . O O . X O O . O . . . . | $$ | . O . . . O . O X . X X O . . X . O . | $$ | . . X . X . O X . X X O X O O X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X . O . X . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O O . . X . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Marcus · Post by **Marcus** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 7:19 am

Not sure if you caught my move? It's been a while ...

Marcus · Post by **Marcus** » Fri Mar 30, 2012 7:57 am

1986 has not been on the forums in a month. I hope he's ok.

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