Nome
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by Nome Fri Mar 02, 2012 10:29 am
Being forced to reason through your moves at my level just helps you realize how much you don't really know... but this is still pretty fun.
I'll be the first to admit I don't really like the move I am playing this turn. It looks odd to me and seems like it my be slow. My only justification for this move is the shape in my corner has two main weaknesses that I know of, marked at a and b. I've done some reading with these moves and while I think I can live, I think I'd end up gote, and I would lose most of my corner. I think my move removes these weaknesses and if I am not mistaken secures a good number of points for me. At this point, I think I am maintaining my lead and removing my problems in the corner seems large enough to be worth playing.
$$Wcm15 Captures: black - 0, white - 0.
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by Sur Fri Mar 02, 2012 10:36 am
Sur
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by Sur Fri Mar 02, 2012 10:42 am
@Nome
If you don't like the move you are playing, there is probably a good reason for it. Don't feel being forced to reply to everything, instead try to play moves you like
Btw: If you feel like white's last move was his sente, you should have played there yourself instead of D10, because his move is really big even if it were gote!
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by opex Fri Mar 02, 2012 11:52 am
$$Wcm17 Captures: black - 0, white - 0.
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by Unicorn Fri Mar 02, 2012 4:21 pm
Mostly for black to read after the game.
$$Bc A more multi-purposed move.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bc A more multi-purposed move.Black's last move was very single minded. It's tough for black to defend here, but if he does, he absolutely must play something that affects the center and the rest of the board. Truth be told, it is painful for black to have to respond in this area at all because it means that white got a beautiful moyo building, strengthening move in sente. Which really shows that black's last move should have been there. It was the definition of urgent that goes before big.
Nonetheless, you should only play a move such as the one that black played if you are already entirely surrounded and you will die if you don't play something in your territory. And you must only play this move if you have a giant lead and the only way the opponent could win is if he played in that corner and killed your group. So, playing a move like that is either a declaration of victory or cowering in fear hiding under a table from your opponent.
If it's a declaration of victory, it's too brash. If it is cowering below a table, you should change your entire mindset. You should resolve to never lose because you lack fighting spirit, but to be proud to lose after giving it your all. Then eventually, you'll go through a phase like I did where I learned that constantly fighting and never playing honte is also not a good way to play until you find a good middle ground. But because you played this move, I can tell you that your mindset is flawed in that it is too passive.
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by Uberdude Fri Mar 02, 2012 4:51 pm
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by Uberdude Fri Mar 02, 2012 4:56 pm
@opex
opex wrote:
I don't think so. I like your move. Unless you have some particularly good reason to high kakari the following questions should decide the matter:
1) Am I building a moyo?
2) Is he building a moyo?
No to both (as here) means definitely not high kakari. Yes to both means could be a good idea, but I still wouldn't play it automatically. One yes then consider it.
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by opex Sat Mar 03, 2012 6:53 am
@Uberdude
Uberdude wrote: Unless you have some particularly good reason to high kakari the following questions should decide the matter:
Thank you, i haven't thought about it from this perspective
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by Nome Sun Mar 04, 2012 11:55 am
Sorry it's taken a bit for my move, I've been busy the last couple of days.
$$Wcm17 Captures: black - 0, white - 0.
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by opex Mon Mar 05, 2012 1:43 am
No problem
$$Wcm19 Captures: black - 0, white - 0.
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by Nome Tue Mar 06, 2012 9:58 pm
Probably be a bit slow in my posts for the next two weeks, this one is a busy week at school and then I am on Spring break so I don't know how often I'll be on my computer.
$$Wcm19 Captures: black - 0, white - 0.
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by opex Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:50 am
$$Wcm21 Captures: black - 0, white - 0.
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Nome
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by Nome Mon Mar 19, 2012 7:54 am
Sorry for the long delay. I was on break and I had very limited computer access. But I am back now and will be able to play regularly again.
$$Wcm21 Captures: black - 0, white - 0.
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by opex Mon Mar 19, 2012 9:02 am
Nome wrote: Sorry for the long delay. I was on break and I had very limited computer access. But I am back now and will be able to play regularly again.
No problem, glad to see you here again
$$Wcm23 Captures: black - 0, white - 0.
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by Nome Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:38 am
$$Wcm23 Captures: black - 0, white - 0.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm23 Captures: black - 0, white - 0.
