154. illuck vs. Celebrir

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Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir

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Right, opps :p

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[go]$$Bcm121 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-2
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$$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . X . . . . . . |
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$$ | O . O X X . . . X , . . O O X O . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . . X O O X O X . O O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O X O X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | X X . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | X O O . . . . 7 O O . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir

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[go]$$Bcm121 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O O O O . X . O . X . X X . . |
$$ | O . O X X . . . X , . . O O X O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . O O . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | O X X . . . . . . . . . O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . . X O O X O X . O O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O X O X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . X . X . . 0 . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | X X . . . . 9 O X 8 . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | X O O . . . . X O O . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Going on as explained before, but I can't know how or whether he'll defend the cut.
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Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir

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[go]$$Bcm131 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-2
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$$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O O O O . X . O . X . X X . . |
$$ | O . O X X . . . X , . . O O X O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . O O . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | O X X . . . . . . . . . O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . . X O O X O X . O O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O X O X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | X X . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | X O O . . 1 . X O O . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir

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[go]$$Bcm131 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O O O O . X . O . X . X X . . |
$$ | O . O X X . . . X , . . O O X O . . . |
$$ | . O X . 2 . O O . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | O X X . . . . . . . . . O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . . X O O X O X . O O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O X O X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | X X . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Now it is my turn to take big endgames. I explained this one before.
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Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir

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[go]$$Bcm131 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O O O O . X . O . X . X X . . |
$$ | O . O X X . . . X , . . O O X O . . . |
$$ | . O X . O . O O . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | O X X . 3 . . . . . . . O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . . X O O X O X . O O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O X O X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | X X . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir

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[go]$$Bcm131 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-2
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$$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O O O O . X . O . X . X X . . |
$$ | O . O X X . . . X , . . O O X O . . . |
$$ | . O X . O 4 O O . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | O X X . X . . . . . . . O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . . X O O X O X . O O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O X O X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | X X . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Somehow I hoped he would make a mistake here :roll:

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[go]$$Bcm1 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-2
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$$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . 2 X 3 . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O O O O . X . O . X . X X . . |
$$ | O . O X X . . . X , . . O O X O . . . |
$$ | . O X 1 O . O O . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | O X X . . 6 . . . . . . O . W O X . . |
$$ | . . . . 4 X X X X X . X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . 5 X O O X O X . O O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O X O X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | X X . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Because of :wc: :w2: is sente now and this will be my move if he responds to this one.
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Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir

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[go]$$Bcm131 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O O O O . X . O . X . X X . . |
$$ | O . O X X . . . X , . . O O X O . . . |
$$ | . O X a O O O O . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | O X X . X . . . . . . . O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . . X O O X O X 5 O O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O X O X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | X X . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If you respond, I'll connect at a.

Might as well get the sente first.
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[go]$$Bcm131 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-3
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$$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . 8 X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O O O O . X . O . X . X X . . |
$$ | O . O X X . . . X , . . O O X O . . . |
$$ | . O X 7 O O O O . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | O X X . X . . . . . . . O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . . X O O X O X X O O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O X O X 6 . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | X X . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Cutting at :b7: seems big, but he would get/destroy points in sente at the center and playing :w8: afterwards. Getting something at the center and :w8: seems far bigger than :b7:
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Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir

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@Celebrir:

Celebrir wrote:
Cutting at :b7: seems big, but he would get/destroy points in sente at the center and playing :w8: afterwards. Getting something at the center and :w8: seems far bigger than :b7:


Really? I make :b7: 9.5 points gote, I'm not sure :w8: is 9.5 points? It must be at least close, but I can't see enough points for "far bigger"
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Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir

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topazg wrote:@Celebrir:

Celebrir wrote:
Cutting at :b7: seems big, but he would get/destroy points in sente at the center and playing :w8: afterwards. Getting something at the center and :w8: seems far bigger than :b7:


Really? I make :b7: 9.5 points gote, I'm not sure :w8: is 9.5 points? It must be at least close, but I can't see enough points for "far bigger"


Don't forget that he takes my stone at L10 first. Beside :w38: is/should be sente which makes it even bigger
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Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir

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@Celebrir:

Celebrir wrote:
Don't forget that he takes my stone at L10 first. Beside :w38: is/should be sente which makes it even bigger


I agree :w36: is bigger than :b37:, I thought we were comparing the next two, like Black should perhaps have taken :w38: himself. :w38: is sente?
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[go]$$Bcm131 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-3
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$$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 0 . . . O X . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O 9 O O O O . X . O . X . X X . . |
$$ | O . O X X . . . X , . . O O X O . . . |
$$ | . O X X O O O O . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | O X X . X . . . . . . . O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . . X O O X O X X O O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O X O . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | X X . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm141 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O X . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O O O O . X . O . X . X X . . |
$$ | O . O X X . . . X , . . O O X O . . . |
$$ | . O X X O O O O . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | O X X . X . . . . . . . O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . . X O O X O X X O O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O X O . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | X X . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . O 1 . . X . , X . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm141 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O X . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O O O O . X . O . X . X X . . |
$$ | O . O X X . . . X , 2 . O O X O . . . |
$$ | . O X X O O O O . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | O X X . X . . . . . . . O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . . X O O X O X X O O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O X O . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | X X . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X . , X . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Am I really missing something here ? He has to defend now and I thought this works with the cut protected:

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[go]$$Wcm1 illluck vs. Celebrir - Dia.1
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$$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . 5 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O X . . O X 3 1 . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O O O O . X . O 4 X 2 X X . . |
$$ | O . O X X . . . X X O . O O X O . . . |
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Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir

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Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir

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With this reduction it seems like he should have played there, doesn't it ?
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