154. illuck vs. Celebrir

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Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir

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Black does get some compensation
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[go]$$ illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . O X X . . O O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O X . . O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . O O X O O O O . X . O X X X X X . . |
$$ | O . O X X . . . X X O . O O X O . . . |
$$ | . O X X O O O O . X . . 2 1 X O X . . |
$$ | O X X . X . . . . . . . O 7 O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O 9 8 O X . . |
$$ | . X . . X O O X O X X O O 0 5 O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O X O . O 6 O X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . 3 O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . 4 O O . |
$$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | X X . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X . , X . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I don't think White can play on the other side.
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[go]$$ illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . O X X . . O O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O X . . O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . O O X O O O O . X . O X X X X X . . |
$$ | O . O X X . . . X X O 5 O O X O . . . |
$$ | . O X X O O O O . X . 4 3 1 X O X . . |
$$ | O X X . X . . . . . . . O 2 O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . . X O O X O X X O O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O X O . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | X X . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X . , X . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir

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Celebrir wrote:
With this reduction it seems like he should have played there, doesn't it ?


No. To allow white m18 in sente is insufferable. Even if protecting it is the biggest move, it's just too humiliating to allow white m18 for free. If it is indeed the biggest move then black has allowed white to get tedomari and should have played differently before. For example j7 was not so big and lost sente, he should have m18 then.
Last edited by Uberdude on Wed Mar 07, 2012 11:27 am, edited 2 times in total.
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Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir

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[go]$$Bcm141 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . 8 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O X . . O X 6 O 9 . . . |
$$ | . O O X O O O O . X . O 7 X 5 X X . . |
$$ | O . O X X . . . X X O . O O X O . . . |
$$ | . O X X O O O O . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | O X X . X . . . . . . . O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . . X O O X O X X O O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O X O . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | X X . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X . , X . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir

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[go]$$Bcm149 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . O 6 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O X . . O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . O O X O O O O . X . O X X X X X . . |
$$ | O . O X X . . . X X O . O O X O . . . |
$$ | . O X X O O O O . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | O X X . X . . . . . . . O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . . X O O X O X X O O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O X O . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . 3 X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | X X 2 . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X . , X . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X 4 X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Just trying to take some sente moves before playing the gote connect. Doesn't seem to be a problem here because each sente is bigger. Maybe I should have played them before, but I was to curiuos whether I missed something and wanted to keep them for a ko. But I thing he has still far more ko threads si I'll take this points before I'm not longer able to do so.
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Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir

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Counting one more time:
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[go]$$Bcm149 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | C C C C C C O X X . . . O O . . C C C |
$$ | C C C O C C C O X . . O X O O X C C C |
$$ | C O O X O O O O . X . O X X X X X C C |
$$ | O C O X X . . . X X O . O O X O . . C |
$$ | . O X X O O O O . X . . . . X O X C C |
$$ | O X X C X . . . . . . . O . O O X C C |
$$ | . . C C C X X X X X . X O . C O X C C |
$$ | . X C C X O O X O X X O O C C O X C C |
$$ | . C X X O O C O O X O C O C O X X C . |
$$ | C C . , . . O C C O C O C C C O X X . |
$$ | C C C . . . . C C O C C C C C C O O . |
$$ | C X X . X . . O C C C C C C O C C . . |
$$ | X X O . . . X O B O C C C C C C C O . |
$$ | X O O . . X C X O O C C C C O O O X . |
$$ | O O . . . C C C X X O O . . . X X X . |
$$ | C C . O X C C X C C X . . O O O X C C |
$$ | C C O . . X C C C C X . X X O X X C C |
$$ | C C . O X C C C C C C C C C X C C C C |
$$ | C C . . . . C C C C C C C C C C C C C |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Black:
Upper right: 19
Bottom: 42
Left: 13
Prisoner: 0
Total: 74

White:
Bottom left: 8
Upper left: 14
Center (without prisoner): 40
Prisoner: 4
Komi: 6,5
Total: 72,5

With this count, black is leading but it's very close.
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Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir

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Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir

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[go]$$Bcm149 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O X . . O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . O O X O O O O . X . O X X X X X . . |
$$ | O . O X X . . . X X O . O O X O . . . |
$$ | . O X X O O O O . X . . . 7 X O X . . |
$$ | O X X . X . . . . . . . O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . . X O O X O X X O O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O X O . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | X X O . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X . , X . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Slight change in trigger on left side, feel free to change your moves after.

I think the trigger connection is fine and leaves less threats, but for some reason the shape there unsettles me slightly.

As Uberdude points out, my H7 was a mistake - I did see the reduction there, but thought after I connect at P17 I can push in for about as many points as I lose. I think that was rather poor estimation on my part, though :p

Oh well, I must press on, now I have to decide if I'd rather play A13 or M14 - I think A13 is slightly bigger.
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Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir

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[go]$$Bcm149 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O X . . O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . O O X O O O O . X . O X X X X X . . |
$$ | O . O X X . . . X X O . O O X O . . . |
$$ | . O X X O O O O . X . . . X X O X . . |
$$ | O X X . X . . . . . 8 . O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . . X O O X O X X O O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O X O . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | X X O . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X . , X . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I wonder why he he changed the triger. His variation only seem to give me more ko threats. Normally I would play this for eye shape or connection but I don't see a need for this hear.

However, I know this game is close but I'm behind and my best chance is to take away his sente as often as possible. Therefore I'm trying nothing I'll lose. If I fail the more complicate thing I'll lose as well, but if I succed I might be able to win. Here are my ideas about the next moves:

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[go]$$Bcm1 illluck vs. Celebrir - Dia.1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O X . . O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . O O X O O O O . X . O X X X X X . . |
$$ | O . O X X . . . X X O c O O X O . . . |
$$ | . O X X O O O O . X . 2 1 X X O X . . |
$$ | O X X . X . . . . b O a O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . . X O O X O X X O O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O X O . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | X X O . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X . , X . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This way he can't cut at 'a' because this would be self-atari, but he has to fear the cut at b. If he protects at b I can take sente with only losing 1 point if he plays at c.

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[go]$$Bcm1 illluck vs. Celebrir - Dia.2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O X . . O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . O O X O O O O . X b O X X X X X . . |
$$ | O . O X X . . . X X O a O O X O . . . |
$$ | . O X X O O O O . X 2 1 3 X X O X . . |
$$ | O X X . X . . . . 5 O 4 O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X X X c X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . . X O O X O X X O O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O X O . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | X X O . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X . , X . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Here I can take sente with losing 4 points first and maybe getting c later or he protects there first. If he protects he invested two times sente which makes 2 points for each sente. If I get c We both invested a sente which makes a 2 points advantage for him. It seem like this is a lose of 2 points.

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[go]$$Bcm1 illluck vs. Celebrir - Dia.3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O X . . O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . O O X O O O O . X . O X X X X X . . |
$$ | O . O X X . . . X X O a O O X O . . . |
$$ | . O X X O O O O . X 2 1 4 X X O X . . |
$$ | O X X . X . . . . b O 3 O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X X X c X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . . X O O X O X X O O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O X O . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | X X O . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X . , X . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Same as in Dia.1 but 'c' is very big now so he would exchange 'c' for 'a'for sure.

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[go]$$Bcm1 illluck vs. Celebrir - Dia.4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O X . . O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . O O X O O O O . X . O X X X X X . . |
$$ | O . O X X . . . X X O . O O X O . . . |
$$ | . O X X O O O O 6 X 2 . 3 X X O X . . |
$$ | O X X . X . . . 5 4 O 1 O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . . X O O X O X X O O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O X O . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | X X O . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X . , X . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This seems like the most dangerous way. However, it seems like I can deal with it.

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[go]$$Bcm1 illluck vs. Celebrir - Dia.5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . O X X 5 3 a O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O X 4 1 O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . O O X O O O O 6 X 2 O X X X X X . . |
$$ | O . O X X . . . X X O . O O X O . . . |
$$ | . O X X O O O O O X O . X X X O X . . |
$$ | O X X . X . . . X O O X O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . . X O O X O X X O O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O X O . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | X X O . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X . , X . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Note that he can't play 'a' because this would be self-atari.

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[go]$$Bcm1 illluck vs. Celebrir - Dia.6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . O X X . 1 . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O X 3 2 O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . O O X O O O O 4 X 6 O X X X X X . . |
$$ | O . O X X . . 8 X X O 5 O O X O . . . |
$$ | . O X X O O O O O X O 7 X X X O X . . |
$$ | O X X . X . . . X O O X O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . . X O O X O X X O O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O X O . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | X X O . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X . , X . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I'm winning by one liberty.
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[go]$$Bcm1 illluck vs. Celebrir - Dia.7
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O X 3 4 O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . O O X O O O O 6 X 2 O X X X X X . . |
$$ | O . O X X . . 8 X X O 1 O O X O . . . |
$$ | . O X X O O O O O X O 5 X X X O X . . |
$$ | O X X . X . . . X O O X O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X X X 7 X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . . X O O X O X X O O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O X O . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | X X O . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X . , X . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Also winning by one liberty.

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[go]$$Bcm1 illluck vs. Celebrir - Dia.8
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . O X X 5 4 6 O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O X . 3 O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . O O X O O O O 8 X 1 O X X X X X . . |
$$ | O . O X X . . . X X O 2 O O X O . . . |
$$ | . O X X O O O O O X O 7 X X X O X . . |
$$ | O X X . X . . . X O O X O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . . X O O X O X X O O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O X O . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | X X O . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X . , X . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Still winning by one.
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[go]$$Bcm1 illluck vs. Celebrir - Dia.9
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O X 5 4 O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . O O X O O O O 8 X 1 O X X X X X . . |
$$ | O . O X X . . 6 X X O 2 O O X O . . . |
$$ | . O X X O O O O O X O 3 X X X O X . . |
$$ | O X X . X . . . X O O X O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X X X 7 X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . . X O O X O X X O O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O X O . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | X X O . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X . , X . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Also a win for me. I think this are the main variations. I hope I don't miss something here. Now let's look on what happens if he prottect the cut:

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[go]$$Bcm1 illluck vs. Celebrir - Dia.10
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O X . . O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . O O X O O O O . X . O X X X X X . . |
$$ | O . O X X . . . X X O e O O X O . . . |
$$ | . O X X O O O O . X d a c X X O X . . |
$$ | O X X . X . . . . 1 O 3 O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X X X b X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . . X O O X O X X O O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O X O . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | X X O . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X 2 |
$$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X . , X . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

With a b c d e I lose one point but he has sente. But with c a e d I lose 3 points but I get sente. The biggest lose in the diagrams was 2 points. I think finding a 2 points endgame isn't that difficult on this board. If I didn't miss a variation in the fight this should be good.
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Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir

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This :b5::
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[go]$$Bcm1 illluck vs. Celebrir - Dia.2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O X . . O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . O O X O O O O . X . O X X X X X . . |
$$ | O . O X X . . . X X O . O O X O . . . |
$$ | . O X X O O O O . X 2 1 3 X X O X . . |
$$ | O X X . X . . . . 5 O 4 O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . . X O O X O X X O O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O X O . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | X X O . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X . , X . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Looks wrong because:
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O X . . O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . O O X O O O O . X 7 O X X X X X . . |
$$ | O . O X X . . . X X O 5 O O X O . . . |
$$ | . O X X O O O O . X 2 1 3 X X O X . . |
$$ | O X X . X . . . . 6 O 4 O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . . X O O X O X X O O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O X O . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | X X O . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X . , X . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

So:
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O X . . O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . O O X O O O O . X 6 O X X X X X . . |
$$ | O . O X X . . . X X O 5 O O X O . . . |
$$ | . O X X O O O O . X 2 1 3 X X O X . . |
$$ | O X X . X . . . . 7 O 4 O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . . X O O X O X X O O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O X O . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | X X O . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X . , X . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir

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[go]$$Bcm149 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O X . . O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . O O X O O O O . X . O X X X X X . . |
$$ | O . O X X . . . X X O . O O X O . . . |
$$ | . O X X O O O O . X . 9 . X X O X . . |
$$ | O X X . X . . . . . O . O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . . X O O X O X X O O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O X O . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | X X O . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X . , X . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I don't understand the peep - perhaps a misread? The game feels really close, maybe white counted and thought he needs complications?

Then again, it could be that I'm missing some resistance against my counter-peep here.
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Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir

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[go]$$Bcm149 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O X . . O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . O O X O O O O . X . O X X X X X . . |
$$ | O . O X X . . . X X O . O O X O . . . |
$$ | . O X X O O O O . X 0 X . X X O X . . |
$$ | O X X . X . . . . . O . O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . . X O O X O X X O O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O X O . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | X X O . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X . , X . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Continuation like it was planned.
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Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir

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[go]$$Bcm159 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O X . . O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . O O X O O O O . X . O X X X X X . . |
$$ | O . O X X . . . X X O . O O X O . . . |
$$ | . O X X O O O O . X O X . X X O X . . |
$$ | O X X . X . . . . 1 O . O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . . X O O X O X X O O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O X O . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | X X O . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X . , X . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Right, that's the resistance I missed :p I can't connect back because white has enough libs to cut (I think I read something weird before because I made white play a move that removed one liberty for no reason).
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Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir

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[go]$$Bcm159 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O X . . O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . O O X O O O O . X . O X X X X X . . |
$$ | O . O X X . . . X X O . O O X O . . . |
$$ | . O X X O O O O . X O X 2 X X O X . . |
$$ | O X X . X . . . . X O . O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . . X O O X O X X O O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O X O . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | X X O . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X . , X . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Okay, when he doesn't defend I don't get my sente, but I can get a nice amount of points. If he defends I get my sente for nothing. I guess I can be satisfied with this.
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Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir

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[go]$$Bcm159 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O X . . O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . O O X O O O O . X . O X X X X X . . |
$$ | O . O X X . . . X X O . O O X O . . . |
$$ | . O X X O O O O . X O X O X X O X . . |
$$ | O X X . X . . . . X O . O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X X X 3 X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . . X O O X O X X O O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O X O . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | X X O . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X . , X . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I guess the difference between the game sequence and white just blocking is that white has the option to tenuki here? But me connecting after is 3 points sente, so white should probably not tenuki.
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Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir

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I'm sorry if I missed it, but did you make a move ? Oo
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