154. illuck vs. Celebrir

illluck · Post by **illluck** » Thu Mar 08, 2012 12:37 pm

Hehe, sorry, forgot to actually make the move XD

Celebrir · Post by **Celebrir** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 2:43 am

illluck wrote:Hehe, sorry, forgot to actually make the move XD

I was close to making the same mistake this move :-?

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm161 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X . . O X O O X . . . | $$ | . O O X O O O O . X . O X X X X X . . | $$ | O . O X X . . . X X O . O O X O . . . | $$ | . O X X O O O O . X O X O X X O X . . | $$ | O X X . X . . . . X O . O . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X X X X X X O . . O X . . | $$ | . X . . X O O X O X X O O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X X O O . O O X O . O . O X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | X X O . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . | $$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . | $$ | O O . . 2 . . . X X O O . . . X X X . | $$ | . . . O X . . X . , X . . O O O X . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X O X X . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I have some positions which I want to get:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm159 illluck vs. Celebrir - Dia.1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X . . O X O O X . . . | $$ | . O O X O O O O . X . O X X X X X . . | $$ | O . O X X . . . X X O . O O X O . . . | $$ | . O X X O O O O . X O X O X X O X . . | $$ | O X X . X . . . . X O a O . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X X X X X X O . . O X . . | $$ | c X . . X O O X O X X O O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X X O O . O O X O . O . O X X . . | $$ | . . . d . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | X X O . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . | $$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X b | $$ | O O . . e . . . X X O O . . . X X X . | $$ | . . . O X . . X . , X . . O O O X . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X O X X . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Let's count a little bit:
'a' is worth 2 points and has continuation which is wort 1 point, which I won't get because it is sente for him to protect it.
For the other moves we have to look at what he happens if he plays there and what happens if I play there:

'b' if B plays:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 illluck vs. Celebrir - Dia.2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X . . O X O O X . . . | $$ | . O O X O O O O . X . O X X X X X . . | $$ | O . O X X . . . X X O . O O X O . . . | $$ | . O X X O O O O . X O X O X X O X . . | $$ | O X X . X . . . . X O . O . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X X X X X X O . . O X . . | $$ | . X . . X O O X O X X O O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X X O O . O O X O . O . O X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . 4 O O . | $$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O C C C 2 | $$ | X X O . . . X O X O . . . . . C C O 1 | $$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X 3 | $$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X C | $$ | . . . O X . . X . , X . . O O O X C C | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X O X X . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

5-3 points -> 2 point more for me + the annoying cut is protected. But this is his sente !

'b'if W plays:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm1 illluck vs. Celebrir - Dia.3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X . . O X O O X . . . | $$ | . O O X O O O O . X . O X X X X X . . | $$ | O . O X X . . . X X O . O O X O . . . | $$ | . O X X O O O O . X O X O X X O X . . | $$ | O X X . X . . . . X O . O . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X X X X X X O . . O X . . | $$ | . X . . X O O X O X X O O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X X O O . O O X O . O . O X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . C O O a | $$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O C C b . | $$ | X X O . . . X O X O . . . . . C C O 3 | $$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X 1 | $$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X 2 | $$ | . . . O X . . X . , X . . O O O X C C | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X O X X . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

If he plays at 'a' I have to play at 'b' because of the cut.
5-2 -> 3 points more for me in gote.
Result: This is 1 point in reverse sente.

Next move: Dia.1 'c' if B plays:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 illluck vs. Celebrir - Dia.4 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X . . O X O O X . . . | $$ | C O O X O O O O . X . O X X X X X . . | $$ | O C O X X . . . X X O . O O X O . . . | $$ | 2 O X X O O O O . X O X O X X O X . . | $$ | O X X . X . . . . X O . O . O O X . . | $$ | 1 C C . . X X X X X X X O . . O X . . | $$ | C X C . X O O X O X X O O . . O X . . | $$ | C C X X O O . O O X O . O . O X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | X X O . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . | $$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . | $$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . | $$ | . . . O X . . X . , X . . O O O X . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X O X X . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

2-6 points -> 4 points more for him in sente (I don't think it would be good to deny :w2:

here, but that might be wrong)

Dia.1 'c' if W plays:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm1 illluck vs. Celebrir - Dia.5 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X . . O X O O X . . . | $$ | C O O X O O O O . X . O X X X X X . . | $$ | O C O X X . . . X X O . O O X O . . . | $$ | 5 O X X O O O O . X O X O X X O X . . | $$ | O X X . X . . . . X O . O . O O X . . | $$ | 3 4 C . . X X X X X X X O . . O X . . | $$ | 1 X C . X O O X O X X O O . . O X . . | $$ | 2 C X X O O . O O X O . O . O X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | X X O . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . | $$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . | $$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . | $$ | . . . O X . . X . , X . . O O O X . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X O X X . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

2-3 points -> 1 point more for him in gote.
Result: 3 points in reverse sente.

Next move: Dia.1 'd' if B plays

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 illluck vs. Celebrir - Dia.6 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X . . O X O O X . . . | $$ | . O O X O O O O . X . O X X X X X . . | $$ | O . O X X . . . X X O . O O X O . . . | $$ | . O X X O O O O . X O X O X X O X . . | $$ | O X X . X . . . . X O . O . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X X X X X X O . . O X . . | $$ | . X . . X O O X O X X O O . . O X . . | $$ | . C X X O O . O O X O . O . O X X . . | $$ | . C C C 1 2 O . . O . O . . . O X X . | $$ | . X C C 3 . . . . O . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . C X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | X X O . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . | $$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . | $$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . | $$ | . . . O X . . X . , X . . O O O X . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X O X X . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

0-4 -> 6 points more for him in gote

Dia.1 'd' if I play:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm1 illluck vs. Celebrir - Dia.7 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X . . O X O O X . . . | $$ | . O O X O O O O . X . O X X X X X . . | $$ | O . O X X . . . X X O . O O X O . . . | $$ | . O X X O O O O . X O X O X X O X . . | $$ | O X X . X . . . . X O . O . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X X X X X X O . . O X . . | $$ | . X . . X O O X O X X O O . . O X . . | $$ | . C X X O O . O O X O . O . O X X . . | $$ | . C 2 1 . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . | $$ | . X . 3 . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . C X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | X X O . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . | $$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . | $$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . | $$ | . . . O X . . X . , X . . O O O X . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X O X X . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

0-3 -> 3 points more for him, but my gote.
Result: 3 points in gote.

Dia. 1 'e' if B plays:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 illluck vs. Celebrir - Dia.8 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X . . O X O O X . . . | $$ | . O O X O O O O . X . O X X X X X . . | $$ | O . O X X . . . X X O . O O X O . . . | $$ | . O X X O O O O . X O X O X X O X . . | $$ | O X X . X . . . . X O . O . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X X X X X X O . . O X . . | $$ | . X . . X O O X O X X O O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X X O O . O O X O . O . O X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | X X O . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . | $$ | X O O . . X C X O O . . . . O O O X . | $$ | O O . 1 . C C . X X O O . . . X X X . | $$ | . C 2 O X C C X . , X . . O O O X . . | $$ | . C O a . X C . . . X . X X O X X . . | $$ | . C . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I have to play :w2:

because of 'a' and I don't feel comfortable with a ko in this situation.
3-6 points-> 3 points more for him in sente

Dia. 1 'e' if W plays:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm1 illluck vs. Celebrir - Dia.9 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X . . O X O O X . . . | $$ | . O O X O O O O . X . O X X X X X . . | $$ | O . O X X . . . X X O . O O X O . . . | $$ | . O X X O O O O . X O X O X X O X . . | $$ | O X X . X . . . . X O . O . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X X X X X X O . . O X . . | $$ | . X . . X O O X O X X O O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X X O O . O O X O . O . O X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | X X O . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . | $$ | X O O . . X C X O O . . . . O O O X . | $$ | O O C 3 1 2 C . X X O O . . . X X X . | $$ | . C C O X . C X . , X . . O O O X . . | $$ | . C O . . X C . . . X . X X O X X . . | $$ | . C . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

5-4 in gote -> 1 points more for me in gote
Result: 4 points in reverse sente

All results:
'a' is 2 point reverse sente
'b' is 1 point reverse sente
'c' is 3 point reverse sente
'd' is 3 point gote.
'e' is 4 point reverse sente

I really don' like how much sente he seems to have and I even didn't look at all of his sente moves because they seem to be small for me to play. However, after this counting 'e' seems to be the best. Please correct me if I made mistakes with this counting (In hide tags I can read after the game)

illluck · Post by **illluck** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 9:00 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm161 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X . . O X O O X . . . | $$ | . O O X O O O O . X . O X X X X X . . | $$ | O . O X X . . . X X O . O O X O . . . | $$ | . O X X O O O O . X O X O X X O X . . | $$ | O X X . X . . . . X O . O . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X X X X X X O . . O X . . | $$ | . X . . X O O X O X X O O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X X O O . O O X O . O . O X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | X X O . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . | $$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . | $$ | O O . . O 3 . . X X O O . . . X X X . | $$ | . . . O X . . X . , X . . O O O X . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X O X X . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Celebrir · Post by **Celebrir** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 10:35 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm161 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X . . O X O O X . . . | $$ | . O O X O O O O . X . O X X X X X . . | $$ | O . O X X . . . X X O . O O X O . . . | $$ | . O X X O O O O . X O X O X X O X . . | $$ | O X X . X . . . . X O . O . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X X X X X X O . . O X . . | $$ | . X . . X O O X O X X O O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X X O O . O O X O . O . O X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | X X O . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . | $$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . | $$ | O O . 4 O X . . X X O O . . . X X X . | $$ | . . . O X . . X . , X . . O O O X . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X O X X . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

illluck · Post by **illluck** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:05 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm161 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X . . O X O O X . . . | $$ | . O O X O O O O . X . O X X X X X . . | $$ | O . O X X . . . X X O 6 O O X O . . . | $$ | . O X X O O O O . X O X O X X O X . . | $$ | O X X . X . . . . X O 5 O . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X X X X X X O . . O X . . | $$ | . X . . X O O X O X X O O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X X O O . O O X O . O . O X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | X X O . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . | $$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . | $$ | O O . O O X . . X X O O . . . X X X . | $$ | . . . O X . . X . , X . . O O O X . . | $$ | . . O . 7 X . . . . X . X X O X X . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Celebrir · Post by **Celebrir** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:32 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm167 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X . . O X O O X . . . | $$ | . O O X O O O O . X . O X X X X X . . | $$ | O . O X X . . . X X O O O O X O . . . | $$ | 6 O X X O O O O . X O X O X X O X . . | $$ | O X X . X . . . . X O X O . O O X . . | $$ | 4 5 . . . X X X X X X X O . . O X . . | $$ | 2 X . . X O O X O X X O O . . O X . . | $$ | 3 . X X O O . O O X O . O . O X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | X X O . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . | $$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . | $$ | O O . O O X . . X X O O . . . X X X . | $$ | . . . O X . . X . , X . . O O O X . . | $$ | . . O . X X . . . . X . X X O X X . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

illluck · Post by **illluck** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 1:06 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm167 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X . . O X O O X . . . | $$ | . O O X O O O O . X . O X X X X X . . | $$ | O . O X X . . . X X O O O O X O . . . | $$ | O O X X O O O O . X O X O X X O X . . | $$ | O X X . X . . . . X O X O . O O X . . | $$ | O X . . . X X X X X X X O . . O X . . | $$ | O X . . X O O X O X X O O . . O X . . | $$ | X . X X O O . O O X O . O . O X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O 7 | $$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | X X O . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . | $$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . | $$ | O O . O O X . . X X O O . . . X X X . | $$ | . . . O X . . X . , X . . O O O X . . | $$ | . . O . X X . . . . X . X X O X X . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Celebrir · Post by **Celebrir** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 1:57 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm171 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X . . O X O O X . . . | $$ | . O O X O O O O . X . O X X X X X . . | $$ | O . O X X . . . X X O O O O X O . . . | $$ | O O X X O O O O . X O X O X X O X . . | $$ | O X X . X . . . . X O X O . O O X . . | $$ | O X . . . X X X X X X X O . . O X . . | $$ | O X . . X O O X O X X O O . . O X . . | $$ | X . X X O O . O O X O . O . O X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X 5 | $$ | . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . 6 O O X | $$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . 4 | $$ | X X O . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . | $$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . | $$ | O O . O O X . . X X O O . . . X X X . | $$ | . . . O X . . X . , X . . O O O X . . | $$ | . . O . X X . . . . X . X X O X X . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I have to be careful here:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm1 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X . . O X O O X . . . | $$ | . O O X O O O O . X . O X X X X X . . | $$ | O . O X X . . . X X O O O O X O . . . | $$ | O O X X O O O O . X O X O X X O X . . | $$ | O X X . X . . . . X O X O . O O X . . | $$ | O X . . . X X X X X X X O . . O X . . | $$ | O X . . X O O X O X X O O . . O X . . | $$ | X . X X O O . O O X O . O . O X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . 3 O X X 7 | $$ | . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . 2 O O X | $$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . 4 5 1 | $$ | X X O . . . X O X O . . . . . . 6 O . | $$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . | $$ | O O . O O X . . X X O O . . . X X X . | $$ | . . . O X . . X . , X . . O O O X . . | $$ | . . O . X X . . . . X . X X O X X . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

If he plays at :w7:

I have to protect the cut. Triggers done like that.

illluck · Post by **illluck** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 3:34 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm171 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X . . O X O O X . . . | $$ | . O O X O O O O . X . O X X X X X . . | $$ | O . O X X . . . X X O O O O X O . . . | $$ | O O X X O O O O . X O X O X X O X . . | $$ | O X X . X . . . . X O X O . O O X . . | $$ | O X . . . X X X X X X X O . . O X . . | $$ | O X . . X O O X O X X O O . . O X . . | $$ | X . X X O O . O O X O . O . O X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . 6 O X X 7 | $$ | . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . 5 O O X | $$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . 4 | $$ | X X O . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . | $$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . | $$ | O O . O O X . . X X O O . . . X X X . | $$ | . . . O X . . X . , X . . O O O X . . | $$ | . . O . X X . . . . X . X X O X X . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Celebrir · Post by **Celebrir** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 4:36 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm171 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X . . O X O O X . . . | $$ | . O O X O O O O . X . O X X X X X . . | $$ | O . O X X . . . X X O O O O X O . . . | $$ | O O X X O O O O . X O X O X X O X . . | $$ | O X X . X . . . . X O X O . O O X . . | $$ | O X . . . X X X X X X X O . . O X . . | $$ | O X . . X O O X O X X O O . . O X . . | $$ | X . X X O O . O O X O . O . O X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . O O X X X | $$ | . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . X O O X | $$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . 8 . O | $$ | X X O . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . | $$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . | $$ | O O . O O X . . X X O O . . . X X X . | $$ | . . . O X . . X . , X . . O O O X . . | $$ | . . O . X X . . . . X . X X O X X . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

illluck · Post by **illluck** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 6:30 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm171 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X . . O X O O X . . . | $$ | . O O X O O O O . X . O X X X X X . . | $$ | O . O X X . . . X X O O O O X O . . . | $$ | O O X X O O O O . X O X O X X O X . . | $$ | O X X . X . . . . X O X O . O O X . . | $$ | O X . . . X X X X X X X O . . O X . . | $$ | O X . . X O O X O X X O O . . O X . . | $$ | X . X X O O . O O X O . O . O X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . O O X X X | $$ | . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . X O O X | $$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . O . O | $$ | X X O . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . | $$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . | $$ | O O . O O X . . X X O O . 0 9 X X X . | $$ | . . . O X . . X . , X . . O O O X . . | $$ | . . O . X X . . . . X . X X O X X . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm181 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X . . O X O O X . . . | $$ | . O O X O O O O . X . O X X X X X . . | $$ | O . O X X . . . X X O O O O X O . . . | $$ | O O X X O O O O . X O X O X X O X . . | $$ | O X X . X . . . . X O X O . O O X . . | $$ | O X . . . X X X X X X X O . . O X . . | $$ | O X . . X O O X O X X O O . . O X . . | $$ | X . X X O O . O O X O . O . O X X . . | $$ | . . . , 7 . O . . O . O . . O O X X X | $$ | . X . . . . 6 . . O . . . . . X O O X | $$ | . . X . X . 5 O . . . . . . O . O . O | $$ | X X O . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . | $$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . | $$ | O O . O O X . . X X O O 2 O X X X X . | $$ | . . . O X . . X . , X . 1 O O O X . . | $$ | . . O 3 X X . . . . X . X X O X X . . | $$ | . . 4 O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Celebrir · Post by **Celebrir** » Sun Mar 11, 2012 2:42 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm187 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . O X X . b . O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X 5 a O X O O X . . . | $$ | . O O X O O O O 4 X . O X X X X X . . | $$ | O . O X X . . . X X O O O O X O 2 3 . | $$ | O O X X O O O O . X O X O X X O X . . | $$ | O X X . X . . . . X O X O . O O X . . | $$ | O X . . . X X X X X X X O . . O X . . | $$ | O X . . X O O X O X X O O . . O X . . | $$ | X . X X O O 0 O O X O . O . O X X . . | $$ | . . . , X 9 O . . O . O . . O O X X X | $$ | . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . X O O X | $$ | . . X . X . X O . . . . . . O . O . O | $$ | X X O . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . | $$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . | $$ | O O . O O X . . X X O O O O X X X X . | $$ | . . . O X . . X . , X . X O O O X . . | $$ | . . O X X X . . . . X . X X O X X . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . 8 6 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Of course you can play :b95:

at another time. If you answer at a I play b and if you play at b I answer at a

There it is, his big flow of sentes... And I realized, that my shape at :b93:

is really bad:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm1 illluck vs. Celebrir - Dia.1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X . . O X O O X . . . | $$ | . O O X O O O O 4 X . O X X X X X . . | $$ | O . O X X . . . X X O O O O X O . . . | $$ | O O X X O O O O . X O X O X X O X . . | $$ | O X X . X . . . . X O X O . O O X . . | $$ | O X . . . X X X X X X X O . . O X . . | $$ | O X . . X O O X O X X O O . . O X . . | $$ | X . X X O O 8 O O X O . O . O X X . . | $$ | . . . , X 1 O 7 9 O . O . . O O X X X | $$ | . X . . . 3 O 5 . O . . . . . X O O X | $$ | . . X . X . X O 6 . . . . . O . O . O | $$ | X X O . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . | $$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . | $$ | O O . O O X . . X X O O O O X X X X . | $$ | . . . O X . . X . , X . X O O O X . . | $$ | . . O X X X . . . . X . X X O X X . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Playing there would be a one point gote because I have to protect against it...

illluck · Post by **illluck** » Sun Mar 11, 2012 8:34 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm197 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . O O . 3 . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X X . O X O O X . . . | $$ | . O O X O O O O O X . O X X X X X . . | $$ | O . O X X . . . X X O O O O X O O X . | $$ | O O X X O O O O . X O X O X X O X . . | $$ | O X X . X . . . . X O X O . O O X . . | $$ | O X . . . X X X X X X X O . . O X . . | $$ | O X . . X O O X O X X O O . . O X . . | $$ | X . X X O O O O O X O . O . O X X . . | $$ | . . . , X X O . . O . O . . O O X X X | $$ | . X . . . 1 O 2 . O . . . . . X O O X | $$ | . . X . X . X O . . . . . . O . O . O | $$ | X X O . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . | $$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . | $$ | O O . O O X . . X X O O O O X X X X . | $$ | . . . O X . . X . , X . X O O O X . . | $$ | . . O X X X . . . . X . X X O X X . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Celebrir · Post by **Celebrir** » Sun Mar 11, 2012 9:14 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm200 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X X . O X O O X . . . | $$ | . O O X O O O O O X . O X X X X X . . | $$ | O . O X X . . . X X O O O O X O O X . | $$ | O O X X O O O O . X O X O X X O X . . | $$ | O X X . X . . . . X O X O 2 O O X . . | $$ | O X . . . X X X X X X X O 3 . O X . . | $$ | O X . . X O O X O X X O O . . O X . . | $$ | X . X X O O O O O X O . O . O X X . . | $$ | . . . , X X O . . O . O . . O O X X X | $$ | . X . . . X O O . O . . . . . X O O X | $$ | . . X 8 X . X O . . . . . . O . O . O | $$ | X X O 6 1 0 X O X O . . . . . . . O 5 | $$ | X O O 7 9 X . X O O . . . . O O O X 4 | $$ | O O . O O X . . X X O O O O X X X X . | $$ | . . . O X . . X . , X . X O O O X . . | $$ | . . O X X X . . . . X . X X O X X . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm210 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . O X X . . 5 O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . O 3 . . O X X . O X O O X . . . | $$ | . O O X O O O O O X . O X X X X X . . | $$ | O . O X X . . . X X O O O O X O O X . | $$ | O O X X O O O O . X O X O X X O X . . | $$ | O X X . X 1 . . . X O X O X O O X . . | $$ | O X . . 4 X X X X X X X O O . O X . . | $$ | O X . . X O O X O X X O O . . O X . . | $$ | X . X X O O O O O X O . O . O X X . . | $$ | . . . , X X O . . O . O . . O O X X X | $$ | . X . . . X O O . O . . . . . X O O X | $$ | . . X X X . X O . . . . . . O . O . O | $$ | X X O X O X X O X O . . . . . . . O O | $$ | X O O O O X . X O O . . . . O O O X X | $$ | O O . O O X . . X X O O O O X X X X . | $$ | . . . O X . . X . , X 2 X O O O X . . | $$ | . . O X X X . . . . X . X X O X X . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

If you pass, I pass as well

I hope I didn't missed something but I think the order of the one point moves is not that important.

Black won with a little bit more points than I counted the last time. I think that is because he had much better sente moves than I had. And I think I should have played 'a' instead of :w62:

here:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm167 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X . . O X O O X . . . | $$ | . O O X O O O O . X . O X X X X X . . | $$ | O . O X X . . . X X O O O O X O . . . | $$ | 6 O X X O O O O . X O X O X X O X . . | $$ | O X X . X . . . . X O X O . O O X . . | $$ | 4 5 . . . X X X X X X X O . . O X . . | $$ | 2 X . . X O O X O X X O O . . O X . . | $$ | 3 . X X O O . O O X O . O . O X X . . | $$ | . . . a b . O . . O . O . . . O X X . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | X X O . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . | $$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . | $$ | O O . O O X . . X X O O . . . X X X . | $$ | . . . O X . . X . , X . . O O O X . . | $$ | . . O . X X . . . . X . X X O X X . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I missed the bad shape I get from black playing at 'b'

EDIT:

I just realized I missed something to get one more point:

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But I feel like posting those triggers is like playing moves so I won't change it now.

illluck · Post by **illluck** » Sun Mar 11, 2012 10:26 am

I pass as well.

Using Cgoban to count, black wins by 6.5?

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