154. illuck vs. Celebrir

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Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir

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Yeah, that's my result as well. Thanks for the game, it was a really intresting one :) I'll take a look at the comments now and review them. I think I'll post some aftergame thoughts as well as soon as I finished.
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Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir

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Thank you for the game as well, quite exciting (especially towards the end)!

I'll be looking through the comments now as well, but probably won't post thoughts today as I have some random school work to do.
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Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir

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Comments about comments:

Loons after B13: Right, that would have been a great game :)

flOvermind after W16: I was to worried about black taking sente to play at something liek Q10 here. Maybe you're right and I should have played there.

flOvermind after W22: I think I failed to make clear what I wanted to say here. "Of course this is a probe. So he doesn't have to play the full variations now." should pretty much say what Uberdude pointed out later.

illuck at 101: I agree that this was the best move for you here.

hyperpape after W144: Couldn't :w8: be at :b9: in your first diagram ? W still has two libierties. With this it doesn't seem like B got uch out of this.

Moves I like:

B7: Really looks more intresting than D2...

B13: I think this made the game far more intresting.

W16: This seems to be a move where I disagree with illucks comments. I still like it because I think it was this move which allowed my to build a big center.

W56: This really seems to big, but I don't see a way to punish it without much danger for B so it seems to be great.

W62: Later this did a lot of good things for me connecting wouldn't have done.

B63: This seems like a big miss for me...

W68: Another move which seems to much at first glance but works out well.

B87 & B89: Got me completly unprepared... Was sure to get sente here...

W108: For me it looks like I get the more than I should.

W156: Got me one more sente and was my in my opinion best endgame move.

Moves I dislike:

W8: I'm not sure whether this was really the best... Now it feels like I'm overconcentrating my stones in the corners while black develops quickly.

B43: Is that really joseki ? The block seems to be far to good for W...

W64: The discussion afterwards shows why I don't like it anymore... I really should have played a little more aggressive here...

B141: I still think he should have played at the top... Any thought from you illuck ?

W168: Should be at D10...

W210: Should be at B211 like I wrote at my last hidden comment.

Conclusion of this game: I'm quite satisfied with the result. It was my first time I played a more serious game against double san-san and I think I did quite well. Besides I normally don't go for large center groups like the stones around N8 are, so it was a good experience for me. I should have played more aggressive at some parts which seems a little bit like a good sign because I was to aggressive for a long time. I just have to find the right mix. Another thing I feel is that I gave away to much sente moves but I don't know what to do against that...

Thanks to everyone who wrote comments to this game. Malkovich is really a nice experience :tmbup:
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Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir

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It's a bit late, but I'm now finally going through the comments :) Thanks to everyone spent their time to leave comments!

I won't really comment on the individual moves because 1) they are mostly explained when I made the moves and 2) I have managed to forget most of what I read but didn't post at the time.

Instead, I'll talk about my overall feelings about this game.

I think Celebrir played very well, and I got a bit lucky in the endgame despite the J7 blunder. It feels like part of my issue for this game was that I was too laid back and optimistic (for example, looking back, magicwand's suggestion of peep and then shoulderhit instead of R12 at move 45 looks much more active). I had managed to convince myself that I was comfortably ahead until near the endgame, when I tried to count more accurately and realized that it was a really close game XD

I also feel like I got a bit outread at places by Celebrir - for example, giving white the ponnuki on the left-centre because I missed a cut and later in game I missed that white can L16 peep until it was too late.

Thanks again to Celebrir for the fun and exciting game :)
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