I played this game today, and I won, but I felt like I was behind most of the way. any comments are appreciated.
CGA league game
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Re: CGA league game
A few comments on the opening:
Move 19 (J3) seems a bit slow. If the W extension on top was wider (L17 instead of M17), then this approach would be important, threatening a severe invasion (N17). But here this move does not really threaten W, so it is large but not vital. Completing a shimari in the upper left (E17) or approaching the lower right (C6) seem natural and larger. Still, this is only a minor point -- until you reach professional level, a slightly slack move like this will not cost you a game.
Move 25 (H4) is again a bit slow. B expends two moves here (F3 and H4) to make less than 10 points of territory, without much chance for future development. If you simply want to limit the W position, it would be more efficient to just play the single move G3, but that also feels slow. After playing F3, jumping to F5 would be a stronger continuation. Yes, W could invade and start a fight, but at least B would have a chance at getting full value for two moves.
Extending on top to C12 actually looks larger to me than any play on the bottom. This move expands from the B shimari, limits W area along the side, and leaves lots of good follow-up potential, like sliding to B10 or pressing to create a moyo with E11.
On the bottom, if W then extends all the way to H3, B will need no second invitation to steal into the corner at C3 or D3. If W holds back to E3 to secure the corner, B can still extend to G3 (although playing on top still looks bigger).
Move 19 (J3) seems a bit slow. If the W extension on top was wider (L17 instead of M17), then this approach would be important, threatening a severe invasion (N17). But here this move does not really threaten W, so it is large but not vital. Completing a shimari in the upper left (E17) or approaching the lower right (C6) seem natural and larger. Still, this is only a minor point -- until you reach professional level, a slightly slack move like this will not cost you a game.
Move 25 (H4) is again a bit slow. B expends two moves here (F3 and H4) to make less than 10 points of territory, without much chance for future development. If you simply want to limit the W position, it would be more efficient to just play the single move G3, but that also feels slow. After playing F3, jumping to F5 would be a stronger continuation. Yes, W could invade and start a fight, but at least B would have a chance at getting full value for two moves.
Extending on top to C12 actually looks larger to me than any play on the bottom. This move expands from the B shimari, limits W area along the side, and leaves lots of good follow-up potential, like sliding to B10 or pressing to create a moyo with E11.
On the bottom, if W then extends all the way to H3, B will need no second invitation to steal into the corner at C3 or D3. If W holds back to E3 to secure the corner, B can still extend to G3 (although playing on top still looks bigger).
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Re: CGA league game
Thank you both for your advice. Cyclops, I have a couple of questions about what you mean.
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, it is true that white gets a ponuki, but it is sandwiched under blacks wall, I think that it exerts very little outward influence, it mostly just makes territory. I also don't understand your objection to
. The move you advise seems to me to give the same size moyo. I agree that it is better, but it seems like a difference of a couple points (if we assume black isn't going to bother pulling out is other group anyway. I also don't understand what you mean by allowing the capture at
is bad. the way I see it, playing it made me spend two turns capturing it, and gave white the chance to escape. trying to save it is just greedy in my opinion.
I am not saying that you are wrong, but I just don't understand your objections would you mind elaborating.
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I am not saying that you are wrong, but I just don't understand your objections would you mind elaborating.
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Re: CGA league game
OC, I am only 7 kyu so it is quite possible my comments are nonsensical. In that case I learn something from youspeedchase wrote:Thank you both for your advice. Cyclops, I have a couple of questions about what you mean.
withthrough
, it is true that white gets a ponuki, but it is sandwiched under blacks wall, I think that it exerts very little outward influence, it mostly just makes territory. I also don't understand your objection to
. The move you advise seems to me to give the same size moyo. I agree that it is better, but it seems like a difference of a couple points (if we assume black isn't going to bother pulling out is other group anyway. I also don't understand what you mean by allowing the capture at
is bad. the way I see it, playing it made me spend two turns capturing it, and gave white the chance to escape. trying to save it is just greedy in my opinion.
I am not saying that you are wrong, but I just don't understand your objections would you mind elaborating.
40 .. 45 I see both b&w running westward starting at L14.