just jumped from 12k to 3k on kgs...

[lesenv]

...and now i had to give 2 stones to a 5kyu, so i knew there was gonna be slaughter.
but i think i did quite well and made some notes on the game. if anyone of you could give me hints on where to look for further improvement, i'd appreciate very much.

(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]HA[2]KM[0.50]TM[1500]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
PW[lesenv]PB[black]WR[3k]BR[5k]DT[2012-03-05]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]AB[pd][dp]C[lesenv [3k?\]: hi good game
black [5k\]: hi gg
]RE[B+Resign]
;W[dd]WL[1477.41]
;B[pp]BL[1490.485]
;W[nc]WL[1467.944]
;B[lc]BL[1478.237]
;W[qf]WL[1465.423]
;B[qe]BL[1457.948]
;W[pf]WL[1457.486]
;B[nd]BL[1450.794]
;W[qj]WL[1449.422]
;B[jq]BL[1438.279]
;W[cn]WL[1436.077]
;B[cl]BL[1429.422]
(;W[en]WL[1432.07]
;B[el]BL[1414.163]
;W[fp]WL[1428.804]
;B[co]BL[1402.667]
;W[dm]WL[1413.124]
;B[dh]BL[1388.327]
(;W[dl]WL[1403.437]C[maybe this was from the wrong dircetion...(see variation)]
;B[dk]BL[1373.565]
;W[ek]WL[1393.145]
;B[ej]BL[1367.847]
;W[fk]WL[1391.363]
;B[cj]BL[1362.133]
;W[fl]WL[1371.694]
;B[ce]BL[1351.945]
;W[cd]WL[1359.407]
;B[fc]BL[1340.181]
;W[de]WL[1346.687]
;B[cf]BL[1337.499]
;W[df]WL[1333.544]
;B[dg]BL[1330.009]
;W[fe]WL[1289.648]
;B[id]BL[1327.862]
;W[ec]WL[1279.07]
;B[fd]BL[1309.198]
;W[ed]WL[1255.874]
;B[fq]BL[1294.334]
;W[gq]WL[1224.1]
;B[eq]BL[1277.025]
;W[hp]WL[1212.068]
;B[ge]BL[1271.743]
(;W[ff]WL[1203.998]C[bit submissive...see variation]
;B[gf]BL[1265.099]
;W[nq]WL[1170.395]LB[qn:A]C[given that it looks like i'm behind in territory, should i have extended from the rght group? to say A?]
;B[mq]BL[1246.619]
;W[np]WL[1165.015]
;B[nr]BL[1239.446]
;W[or]WL[1161.339]
;B[mr]BL[1238.122]
;W[oq]WL[1159.619]
;B[qq]BL[1208.079]
;W[po]WL[1134.863]C[here i think i should have leaned on the strong group, but couldn't decide which group was stronger.]
;B[qo]BL[1201.008]
;W[pn]WL[1095.154]
;B[qn]BL[1189.171]
;W[qm]WL[1090.386]
;B[rm]BL[1187.147]
;W[ql]WL[1087.591]
;B[oh]BL[1144.178]
;W[ko]WL[1038.02]LB[nf:B][oh:A][kr:C]C[i wanted to either capture blacks last stone (A) on a large scale with a move around B next or kill the bottom with C.
have a look at how that worked out...]
;B[of]BL[1131.44]
;W[kr]WL[964.433]
;B[kq]BL[1114.611]
;W[jr]WL[959.978]
;B[ir]BL[1102.818]
;W[iq]WL[957.893]
;B[hr]BL[1099.75]
;W[lq]WL[932.555]
;B[lr]BL[1098.151]C[didn't see this, i thought about the atari from above.]
;W[lp]WL[925.367]
;B[js]BL[1086.337]
;W[jp]WL[923.305]C[at least the center is closed off from the bottom, but so far all my territory is in the upper left...not looking good.]
;B[ks]BL[1084.871]
;W[ng]WL[910.924]C[there is no way i could cut through this, so i offer the exchange (good for me, i think)]
;B[og]BL[1076.073]
;W[gg]WL[875.383]
;B[hg]BL[1067.771]
;W[hh]WL[854.84]C[double-hane...should have thought about that earlier.]
;B[ig]BL[1006.132]
;W[ih]WL[841.594]
;B[mh]BL[982.664]
;W[ni]WL[829.834]
;B[nh]BL[979.983]
;W[mi]WL[825.928]
;B[kj]BL[964.95]
;W[li]WL[820.025]
;B[ki]BL[958.043]
;W[kh]WL[792.799]
;B[jh]BL[956.372]
;W[ji]WL[781.22]
;B[jg]BL[941.35]
;W[lh]WL[775.698]
;B[ii]BL[872.907]
;W[jj]WL[765.265]
;B[ij]BL[871.809]
;W[jk]WL[762.754]
;B[gh]BL[869.048]
;W[hi]WL[754.079]
;B[hj]BL[866.593]
;W[gi]WL[748.745]
;B[gj]BL[865.486]
;W[fh]WL[722.551]
;B[fi]BL[828.756]
;W[gh]WL[719.251]
;B[eh]BL[818.263]
;W[fg]WL[716.656]
;B[fj]BL[817.32]
;W[hl]WL[666.858]
;B[lg]BL[706.703]
;W[pe]WL[638.823]
;B[qd]BL[696.551]
;W[oe]WL[630.82]
;B[ne]BL[690.177]
;W[od]WL[628.235]
;B[qh]BL[657.728]
;W[rh]WL[600.703]
;B[rg]BL[593]
;W[qg]WL[580.659]
;B[ri]BL[587.099]
;W[rf]WL[576.313]C[this was intended to kill the corner, somewhere i must have gone wrong. see variations on move 125.]
;B[sh]BL[580.314]
;W[pc]WL[570.149]
;B[qc]BL[567.717]
(;W[pb]WL[566.487]C[this is the mistake i think (see variations)]
;B[re]BL[558.119]
;W[sf]WL[563.088]
;B[qb]BL[557.021]
;W[sd]WL[552.748]
;B[se]BL[538.606]
;W[rb]WL[536.774]
;B[pa]BL[530.851]
;W[oa]WL[531.414]
;B[qa]BL[476.944]
;W[nb]WL[501.777]
;B[sc]BL[474.38]
(;W[ph]WL[424.004]
;B[pi]BL[437.843]
;W[pg]WL[421.173]
(;B[oi]BL[425.935]C[this is submissve i think, see variation]
;W[qi]WL[417.468]
;B[oj]BL[417.231]
;W[nk]WL[400.653]
;B[ok]BL[392.659]
;W[ol]WL[385.79]
;B[nj]BL[384.152]
;W[mk]WL[379.072]
;B[kg]BL[347.084]
;W[kk]WL[356.307]
;B[rd]BL[339.887]
;W[rj]WL[315.709]
;B[eb]BL[269.847]
;W[db]WL[310.415]
;B[fb]BL[255.523]
;W[be]WL[303.257]
;B[bf]BL[246.751]
(;W[ad]WL[294.06]
;B[da]BL[238.731]
;W[ca]WL[268.184]
;B[bc]BL[188.106]
;W[cc]WL[244.621]
;B[bd]BL[178.85]
;W[bb]WL[240.949]
;B[ae]BL[177.795]
;W[bn]WL[193.31]
;B[ab]BL[164.343]
(;W[ef]WL[167.776]C[lesenv [3k?\]: ...
]
;B[gr]BL[122.192]
;W[bk]WL[119.979]C[oh man, this was embarassing...]
;B[bl]BL[90.569]
;W[ck]WL[100.228]
;B[dj]BL[87.807]
;W[bm]WL[82.07]
;B[ak]BL[77.634]
;W[aq]WL[63.495]
;B[bp]BL[41.157]
;W[ap]WL[57.274]
;B[bq]BL[37.369]
;W[bo]WL[13.887]
;B[ar]BL[3.826]
;W[ao]WL[11.89]
;B[hq]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[gp]WL[7.507]
;B[ip]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[io]WL[5.201]
;B[kp]BL[30]OB[5]
(;W[mp]WL[30]OW[5]C[i didn't see the ko coming...
but i think the game was lost long before.]
;B[jo]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[jn]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[in]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[jp]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[ba]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[cb]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[jo]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[ho]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[kn]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[jp]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[oc]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[ob]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[jo]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[br]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[jm]BL[30]OB[5]C[black [4k\]: ty
lesenv [4k?\]: thanks alot
])
(;W[lo]
;B[jo]
;W[jn]C[so simple...]))
(;W[eg]C[...]))
(;W[bd]C[no fooling around, next time.]
;B[da]
;W[ca]
;B[bc]
;W[cb]))
(;B[qi]
;W[oi]
;B[oc]
;W[ob]
;B[sg]
;W[oc]
;B[mc]C[like this black wns the semeai, but...]
(;W[pj]
;B[mb]
;W[rj]
;B[na])
(;W[mg]
;B[nf]
;W[kg]
;B[lf]
;W[kf]
;B[ke]
;W[jf]
;B[ie]
;W[je]
;B[kd]C[white gets to reduce..]
;W[pj]C[...in sente.
but game over because top right stones are dead.])))
(;W[lb]
(;B[mb]
;W[mc]
;B[kb]
;W[ma]
;B[kc])
(;B[mc]
;W[mb]
;B[kb]
;W[la]
;B[oc]
;W[ob]
;B[pg])))
(;W[sd]
;B[pb]
;W[oc]
(;B[ob]
;W[nb]
;B[rb]
;W[qa]
;B[rc]
;W[sc]
;B[sb]
;W[re]
;B[ra]
;W[oa])
(;B[na]
;W[ob]
;B[oa]
;W[qb]
;B[pa]
;W[rb]C[yep, pretty sure, the corner should have died])))
(;W[gf]
(;B[ff]
;W[ee]
;B[hf]
;W[gg]
;B[eg]
;W[gd]
(;B[hd]
;W[gc])
(;B[he]
;W[gc]))
(;B[he]
(;W[ef])
(;W[ff]))))
(;W[dk]
;B[dl]
;W[ej]
;B[ck]
;W[cj]
;B[bj]
;W[ci]
;B[ch]
;W[bi]
;B[cf]
;W[fc]
(;B[ff])
(;B[bd]
;W[cc]
;B[ff]
;W[eh]
;B[eg]
;W[gk])))
(;W[cq]C[somehow i don't consider this move very sincerely in my games.]
;B[cp]
;W[bp]
;B[bo]
;W[bq]
;B[co]
;W[dq]
;B[ep]C[that would have been sente...]
(;W[qm])
(;W[jc]C[looking at O17?])
(;W[ci])))

the jump occured of course, because i wasn't playing on kgs in a while and then i beat a 6k and two 5k. on dgs i'm still at 13k...

[hettingerjm]

As a 12k I don't think I could give any tips.... But how did you make a jump that big from 12-3k?

[amnal]

A few comments on your main mistakes and your own ideas. It is not exhaustive.

Note move 137. You can still kill the corner!

(;GM[1]FF[4]AP[qGo:1.5.4]ST[2]
SZ[19]HA[2]KM[0.5]TM[1500]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
PW[lesenv]WR[3k]PB[black]BR[5k]RE[B+Resign]DT[2012-03-05]PC[The KGS Go Server at <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.gokgs.com/">http://www.gokgs.com/</a><!-- m -->]
AB[dp][pd]C[lesenv [3k?\]: hi good gameblack [5k\]: hi gg]CA[UTF-8]RU[Japanese]
;W[dd]WL[1477.41]
;B[pp]BL[1490.48]
;W[nc]WL[1467.94]
;B[lc]BL[1478.24]
;W[qf]WL[1465.42]
;B[qe]BL[1457.95]
;W[pf]WL[1457.49]
;B[nd]BL[1450.79]
;W[qj]WL[1449.42]
;B[jq]BL[1438.28]
;W[cn]WL[1436.08]
;B[cl]BL[1429.42]
(
;W[en]C[This is fine, but I put a couple of comments in your suggested variation where your suggestions weren't great.]WL[1432.07]
;B[el]BL[1414.16]
;W[fp]WL[1428.8]
;B[co]BL[1402.67]
;W[dm]C[Feels like aji keshi. Although it is sente, it doesn't stop black from playing B6 to connect underneath, and it doesn't connect to the F4 stone.

I'm not sure what is best, but perhaps D5 is better.]WL[1413.12]
;B[dh]BL[1388.33]
(
;W[dl]C[maybe this was from the wrong dircetion...(see variation)

=====

This is absolutely the right direction! This way you can separate black's stones and make your own ones safe. From the other direction, you make a second weak group for no good reason, whilst fixing black's shape. See your variation for some comments on it.]WL[1403.44]
;B[dk]BL[1373.56]
;W[ek]WL[1393.15]
;B[ej]BL[1367.85]
;W[fk]WL[1391.36]
;B[cj]BL[1362.13]
;W[fl]WL[1371.69]
;B[ce]BL[1351.94]
;W[cd]WL[1359.41]
;B[fc]BL[1340.18]
;W[de]WL[1346.69]
;B[cf]BL[1337.5]
;W[df]WL[1333.54]
;B[dg]BL[1330.01]
;W[fe]WL[1289.65]
;B[id]BL[1327.86]
;W[ec]WL[1279.07]
;B[fd]BL[1309.2]
;W[ed]C[Empty triangle! If you really feel you must defend here, at least make better shape at E18 or F18. They protect the weakness just as well but are more active.]WL[1255.87]
;B[fq]BL[1294.33]
;W[gq]WL[1224.1]
;B[eq]BL[1277.03]
;W[hp]WL[1212.07]
;B[ge]BL[1271.74]
(
;W[ff]C[bit submissive...see variation]WL[1204]
;B[gf]BL[1265.1]
;W[nq]LB[qn:A]C[given that it looks like i'm behind in territory, should i have extended from the rght group? to say A?


====

This seems like a good move if you are behind; you can aim to attack K3 on a large scale and make use of the thickness of the F8 group.]WL[1170.4]
;B[mq]BL[1246.62]
;W[np]WL[1165.02]
;B[nr]BL[1239.45]
;W[or]WL[1161.34]
;B[mr]BL[1238.12]
;W[oq]C[Perhaps Q3 is more powerful, hurting black's corner even more. But this is still great for white.]WL[1159.62]
;B[qq]BL[1208.08]
;W[po]C[here i think i should have leaned on the strong group, but couldn't decide which group was stronger.


====

This move doesn't seem to accomplish that much, as black R5 just makes territory along the side.]WL[1134.86]
;B[qo]BL[1201.01]
;W[pn]WL[1095.15]
(
;B[qn]BL[1189.17]
;W[qm]WL[1090.39]
;B[rm]BL[1187.15]
;W[ql]WL[1087.59]
;B[oh]BL[1144.18]
;W[ko]LB[kr:C][nf:B][oh:A]C[i wanted to either capture blacks last stone (A) on a large scale with a move around B next or kill the bottom with C.have a look at how that worked out...

=====

Perhaps J2 is a better goal than C. If balck just meekly answers at K2, he still doesn't have room for 2 eyes.]WL[1038.02]
;B[of]BL[1131.44]
;W[kr]WL[964.433]
;B[kq]BL[1114.61]
;W[jr]WL[959.978]
;B[ir]BL[1102.82]
;W[iq]WL[957.893]
;B[hr]BL[1099.75]
;W[lq]WL[932.555]
;B[lr]C[didn't see this, i thought about the atari from above.]BL[1098.15]
;W[lp]WL[925.367]
;B[js]BL[1086.34]
;W[jp]C[at least the center is closed off from the bottom, but so far all my territory is in the upper left...not looking good.]WL[923.305]
;B[ks]BL[1084.87]
;W[ng]C[there is no way i could cut through this, so i offer the exchange (good for me, i think)

====

I don't think it is very good for you. The O13 stone has no significant purpose. However, by making black connect you hurt the Q14 stones by making black moves around R12 more powerful.

If you don't play here, you can instead aim at the P13 wedge to make weaknesses in black's shape.]WL[910.924]
;B[og]BL[1076.07]
;W[gg]WL[875.383]
;B[hg]BL[1067.77]
;W[hh]C[double-hane...should have thought about that earlier.]WL[854.84]
;B[ig]BL[1006.13]
;W[ih]WL[841.594]
;B[mh]BL[982.664]
;W[ni]WL[829.834]
;B[nh]BL[979.983]
;W[mi]WL[825.928]
;B[kj]BL[964.95]
;W[li]WL[820.025]
;B[ki]BL[958.043]
;W[kh]WL[792.799]
;B[jh]BL[956.372]
;W[ji]WL[781.22]
;B[jg]BL[941.35]
;W[lh]WL[775.698]
;B[ii]BL[872.907]
;W[jj]WL[765.265]
;B[ij]BL[871.809]
;W[jk]WL[762.754]
;B[gh]BL[869.048]
;W[hi]WL[754.079]
;B[hj]BL[866.593]
;W[gi]WL[748.745]
;B[gj]BL[865.486]
;W[fh]WL[722.551]
;B[fi]BL[828.756]
;W[gh]WL[719.251]
;B[eh]BL[818.263]
;W[fg]WL[716.656]
;B[fj]BL[817.32]
;W[hl]WL[666.858]
;B[lg]BL[706.703]
;W[pe]WL[638.823]
;B[qd]BL[696.551]
;W[oe]WL[630.82]
;B[ne]BL[690.177]
;W[od]WL[628.235]
;B[qh]BL[657.728]
;W[rh]WL[600.703]
;B[rg]BL[593]
;W[qg]WL[580.659]
;B[ri]BL[587.099]
;W[rf]C[this was intended to kill the corner, somewhere i must have gone wrong. see variations on move 125.]WL[576.313]
;B[sh]BL[580.314]
;W[pc]WL[570.149]
;B[qc]BL[567.717]
(
;W[pb]C[this is the mistake i think (see variations)]WL[566.487]
;B[re]BL[558.119]
;W[sf]WL[563.088]
;B[qb]BL[557.021]
;W[sd]WL[552.748]
;B[se]BL[538.606]
;W[rb]WL[536.774]
;B[pa]BL[530.851]
;W[oa]WL[531.414]
;B[qa]BL[476.944]
;W[nb]WL[501.777]
;B[sc]BL[474.38]
(
;W[ph]C[White S17 still kills the corner! See variations.]WL[424.004]
;B[pi]BL[437.843]
;W[pg]WL[421.173]
(
;B[oi]C[this is submissve i think, see variation]BL[425.935]
;W[qi]WL[417.468]
;B[oj]BL[417.231]
;W[nk]WL[400.653]
;B[ok]BL[392.659]
;W[ol]WL[385.79]
;B[nj]BL[384.152]
;W[mk]WL[379.072]
;B[kg]BL[347.084]
;W[kk]WL[356.307]
;B[rd]BL[339.887]
;W[rj]WL[315.709]
;B[eb]BL[269.847]
;W[db]WL[310.415]
;B[fb]BL[255.523]
;W[be]WL[303.257]
;B[bf]BL[246.751]
(
;W[ad]C[This is a shape for making eyes sometimes, but in a wide open area like this is leaves a big weakness at B17 for no real gain. Of course, black is happy to demonstrate this, though I'm not sure if he should really have got away with it.]WL[294.06]
;B[da]BL[238.731]
;W[ca]WL[268.184]
;B[bc]BL[188.106]
;W[cc]WL[244.621]
;B[bd]BL[178.85]
;W[bb]WL[240.949]
;B[ae]BL[177.795]
;W[bn]WL[193.31]
;B[ab]BL[164.343]
(
;W[ef]C[lesenv [3k?\]: ...]WL[167.776]
;B[gr]BL[122.192]
;W[bk]C[oh man, this was embarassing...]WL[119.979]
;B[bl]BL[90.569]
;W[ck]WL[100.228]
;B[dj]BL[87.807]
;W[bm]WL[82.07]
;B[ak]BL[77.634]
;W[aq]WL[63.495]
;B[bp]BL[41.157]
;W[ap]WL[57.274]
;B[bq]BL[37.369]
;W[bo]WL[13.887]
;B[ar]BL[3.826]
;W[ao]WL[11.89]
;B[hq]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[gp]WL[7.507]
;B[ip]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[io]WL[5.201]
;B[kp]BL[30]OB[5]
(
;W[mp]C[i didn't see the ko coming...but i think the game was lost long before.]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[jo]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[jn]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[in]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[jp]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[ba]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[cb]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[jo]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[ho]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[kn]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[jp]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[oc]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[ob]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[jo]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[br]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[jm]C[black [4k\]: tylesenv [4k?\]: thanks alot]BL[30]OB[5]
)
(
;W[lo];B[jo];W[jn]C[so simple...]
)
)
(
;W[eg]C[...]
)
)
(
;W[bd]C[no fooling around, next time.]
;B[da];W[ca];B[bc];W[cb]
)
)
(
;B[qi];W[oi];B[oc];W[ob];B[sg];W[oc];B[mc]C[like this black wns the semeai, but...]
(
;W[pj];B[mb];W[rj];B[na]
)
(
;W[mg];B[nf];W[kg];B[lf];W[kf];B[ke];W[jf];B[ie];W[je];B[kd]C[white gets to reduce..]
;W[pj]C[...in sente.but game over because top right stones are dead.]
)
)
)
(
;W[lb]
(
;B[mb];W[mc];B[kb];W[ma];B[kc]
)
(
;B[mc];W[mb];B[kb];W[la];B[oc];W[ob];B[pg]
)
)
(
;W[rc]
(
;B[rd];W[ra];B[sd];W[sb]
)
(
;B[sb];W[sa]
)
(
;B[ra];W[sb]
(
;B[rd];W[sa]
)
(
;B[ss];W[rd];B[sr];W[sa]
)
)
)
)
(
;W[sd];B[pb];W[oc]
(
;B[ob];W[nb];B[rb];W[qa];B[rc];W[sc];B[sb];W[re];B[ra];W[oa]
)
(
;B[na];W[ob];B[oa];W[qb];B[pa];W[rb]C[yep, pretty sure, the corner should have died]
)
)
)
(
;B[ae]
)
)
(
;W[gf]
(
;B[ff];W[ee];B[hf];W[gg];B[eg];W[gd]
(
;B[hd];W[gc]
)
(
;B[he];W[gc]
)
)
(
;B[he]
(
;W[ef]
)
(
;W[ff]
)
)
)
)
(
;W[dk];B[dl];W[ej]
(
;B[ck]C[Black doesn't want to play here, he can just connect with C10, leaving white with multiple weak groups.]
;W[cj];B[bj];W[ci];B[ch];W[bi];B[cf];W[fc]
(
;B[ff]
)
(
;B[bd];W[cc];B[ff];W[eh];B[eg];W[gk]
)
)
(
;B[cj];W[ck];B[bk];W[bl];B[dj];W[ek];B[bm];W[bj];B[al];W[bi]
;B[ch]C[White is just failing horribly.]
)
)
)
(
;W[cq]C[somehow i don't consider this move very sincerely in my games.]
;B[cp]
;W[bp]C[Better to push at D3 first. This way, black can play D3 now, and white would end up with a sealed in corner. That can be okay, but there's no need to give black the option.]
;B[bo];W[bq];B[co];W[dq];B[ep]C[that would have been sente...]
(
;W[qm]C[This is a big area, but F3 is massive. If you don't play there, black plays E3 to seal that side in sente.]
)
(
;W[jc]C[looking at O17?]
)
(
;W[ci]
)
)
)

[lesenv]

hettingerjm: the jump occured, because i wasn't playing on kgs in a while and then i beat a 6k and two 5k. on dgs i'm still at 13k...
now i'm down to 5k again after 2 or 3 more games.

thanks, amnal. i already skimmed through it, now i'll have a closer look at your comments.

edit: oh yes, the corner! even when doing the revue, i didn't see the kill... off to goproblems.org