which iPad app plays strongest most human-like Go ?

[Boidhre]

There's a free iPhone app for DGS that you can use on an iPad. It's serviceable, though obviously not as pretty as a proper tablet app. The webpage is here: http://dgs.uberweiss.net/

[RBerenguel]

I'd rather trust Safari connecting directly to servers than a 3rd party app running on two devices with a Wifi connection in the middle...

DGS works perfect in Mobile Safari for iPad, but there's a free app for iPhone and iPod touches that makes for a nicer experience in such a small screen.

[MLC]

That is quite a high level of paranoia.

I could be wrong but I think you can get rooted by clicking on one bad link or even by loading a commercial news site that has a compromised ad appearing on their page.

[RBerenguel]

The latest roots have been caused by specially crafted PDFs, and there are no PDF ads (as far as I know). You can always reinstall everything in your iPad every week, in case you are really worried. Nothing prevents a 3rd party app of being rooted, or showing ads just like Safari does.

[Go_Japan]

Personally, I prefer (Online-Go-Server) OGS to DGS. OGS is a lot faster because you can set up conditional moves. There are also a lot of other "activities" with regular tournaments, mini-tournaments, and ladders. So you can always get even games with stronger players to practice.
In general, I have a low tolerance for these slow games, so OGS keeps me a little more active than DGS.
There is an OGS ap for iphone/ipod, but I am not sure about the iPad. I am going to buy one next week, so maybe I will let you know then.

[MLC]

The latest roots have been caused by specially crafted PDFs, and there are no PDF ads (as far as I know). You can always reinstall everything in your iPad every week, in case you are really worried. Nothing prevents a 3rd party app of being rooted, or showing ads just like Safari does.

How would reinstalling apps help if the machine is rooted? Wouldn't it still be rooted with new copies of the apps on top? Apps themselves can't be rooted (at least as hackers define it)... doesn't it refer to code that executes during boot time and persists after shutdown even after some reinstalls of the OS (depending on how you do it) ?

Because I think "computer security" is almost an oxymoron, my solution is to separate use & hardware accordingly. For instance, I have a fresh install of MAC OS on a machine that's never been on the internet except from within a virtual machine running in VMWare. I use this for banking , trading stocks , etc and I start from a fresh system image EVERY time. That takes one click in VMWare so it's easy.

I use other machines recklessly because I don't care if they're hacked - I'm not doing anything on them I don't mind losing. My iPad is a special case because it's connected to my iTunes account and that's a vulnerability so NO web surfing with Safari.

Why am I so worried? ... how about the crimeware that creates Zeus style zero day exploits with a few mouse clicks? Yes, you can just buy programs that automate the creation of attack code that's guaranteed to work. I know this already exists for targeting Linux and Mac OS so I doubt similar stuff for iOS is very far behind . Any hacker that can control a webserver temporarily can root your machine should you click on that site. Is this actually happening? umm... yes.

whatever... this is all way off topic!

p.s.

Yes I agree PDF is dog barf

[Boidhre]

How would reinstalling apps help if the machine is rooted? Wouldn't it still be rooted with new copies of the apps on top?

I'm sure he meant reinstall iOS and then all the apps on top of that. It's a pain but it's recoverable.

[MLC]

I'm sure he meant reinstall iOS and then all the apps on top of that. It's a pain but it's recoverable.

I really know nothing about iOS . I don't know if "restore" just copies the system files over or if it first does a bitwise wipe of the drive including MBR ( or whatever that's called on iPhones/Pads ) ? If it's the former then it don't think it would eliminate real rootkits because they're specifically designed to elude that kind of thing.

Whatever... I won't trust anything important on a machine I can't wipe first for myself and run in a virtual machine on top of an OS I install myself.

To give you an idea of the extent of the problem consider this

Most major U.S. corporations--up to 88 percent of the Fortune 500 companies--may be affected by botnet activity from computers compromised by the Zeus data-stealing Trojan, according to an RSA study released Wednesday.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-20002425-245.html

That was 2010 and things have only got worse since then. The percentage of home computers that are compromised is probably even higher than business. I think anyone who isn't paranoid about this probably doesn't understand it very well.

[Boidhre]

I'm sure he meant reinstall iOS and then all the apps on top of that. It's a pain but it's recoverable.

I really know nothing about iOS . I don't know if "restore" just copies the system files over or if it first does a bitwise wipe of the drive including MBR ( or whatever that's called on iPhones/Pads ) ? If it's the former then it don't think it would eliminate real rootkits because they're specifically designed to elude that kind of thing.

Whatever... I won't trust anything important on a machine I can't wipe first for myself and run in a virtual machine on top of an OS I install myself.

To give you an idea of the extent of the problem consider this

Most major U.S. corporations--up to 88 percent of the Fortune 500 companies--may be affected by botnet activity from computers compromised by the Zeus data-stealing Trojan, according to an RSA study released Wednesday.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-20002425-245.html

That was 2010 and things have only got worse since then. The percentage of home computers that are compromised is probably even higher than business. I think anyone who isn't paranoid about this probably doesn't understand it very well.

Well if you want you can root (i.e. jailbreak) the iPad, mount it as an external drive and then run a program on your PC/Mac to erase the memory of the iPad securely and brick it and then do a factory restore. There are ways to treat it as if it was any external drive which I imagine should do the trick for you. I'm no expert in iOS though so there might be easier/better ways of doing it.

[RBerenguel]

I think a simpler way to get this done is to get an iTunes account linked to an iTunes gift card instead of a credit card: you can then created an account with prepaid credit. Or even better, link it to a virtual credit card. It works like a pre-paid card for online payments: if it gets compromised it can only have access to as many funds as you have put in it.

System restore writes everything again. iDevices (AFAIK) do not have MBR (after all, they are not hard drives) but have a firmware part holding the OS. A restore rewrites this to factory settings. But it takes an awful lot of time.

We already had an iPad security discussion in another thread, I won't get into it again, but please don't say I think anyone who isn't paranoid about this probably doesn't understand it very well. I do understand it and feel no paranoia.

[MLC]

please don't say I think anyone who isn't paranoid about this probably doesn't understand it very well. I do understand it and feel no paranoia.

FBI executive assistant director and cyber czar Shawn Henry says recently in the Wall Street Journal ""I don't see how we ever come out of this without changes in technology or changes in behavior, because with the status quo, it's an unsustainable model," [...] "Unsustainable in that you never get ahead, never become secure, never have a reasonable expectation of privacy or security."
I'd say he has things about right - although perhaps neither he nor I really "understand it"

[hyperpape]

To give you an idea of the extent of the problem consider this

Most major U.S. corporations--up to 88 percent of the Fortune 500 companies--may be affected by botnet activity from computers compromised by the Zeus data-stealing Trojan, according to an RSA study released Wednesday.

That says almost nothing about the percentage of computers that are infected. For the purposes of this study, if that corporation has 999 computers with no infection and 1 that's infected, that will count as being affected by the botnet.

[MLC]

That says almost nothing about the percentage of computers that are infected. For the purposes of this study, if that corporation has 999 computers with no infection and 1 that's infected, that will count as being affected by the botnet.

That's true hyperpape! My point about the Fortune 500 companies is they have better security practices than your average householder and they can still they get whacked ! Estimates of infected home computers apparently range from 10% to 60% as far as I can tell. That's high enough to worry me away from web browsing on a machine I care about. ymmv

[Buri]

Hi,
Can anyone help me with these two questions?
1)I play on KGS with my regular computer. How can I use the new iPad for it?

2) Unrelated but causing me big trouble! My user ID , user name and password all work fine on both the apple store computers and my iPad . However, whenever I try to download updates on my Os Mac I get the 'invalid username/password ' message every time. There are no errors with anything I input.I have changed my password four times to see if that would help but still nothing. Can anyone help?

Btw My experience with DGS is that it is a fantastic site and the speed of the games varies tremendously. I have found it to be a true treasure house.

Cheers,
Buri

[badukJr]

Hi Buri

You cannot play KGS with iPad natively. You must use Android Tablet. I recommend asus eepad transform.