Batoo-kovitch #4: Dusk Eagle vs illluck

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Re: Batoo-kovitch #4: Dusk Eagle vs illluck

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[go]$$Bcm1 Score - B:26, W:18
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . m . . . . . m . . |
$$ | . . W . . . . . B W . |
$$ | . . . . . B . . W X . |
$$ | p . . . . B . . . . p |
$$ | . . W . . B . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . W . . |
$$ | . . m W . B . W m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]


Let's see if I can convince my opponent that my hidden move is at J6. In any case, this crosscut is usually a good move, so I don't really lose much by playing it anyways.
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Re: Batoo-kovitch #4: Dusk Eagle vs illluck

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[go]$$Bcm1 Score - B:26, W:18
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . m . . . . . m . . |
$$ | . . W . . . . . B W . |
$$ | . . . . . B . . W B . |
$$ | p . . . . B . . . O p |
$$ | . . W . . B . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . W . . |
$$ | . . m W . B . W m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]

I think this is where his hidden move is.

Edit:
Or one above. Now that I think about it, one above is more likely, and I should've played something else or at least used a scan.
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Re: Batoo-kovitch #4: Dusk Eagle vs illluck

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[go]$$Bcm1 Score - B:26, W:18
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . m . . . . . m . . |
$$ | . . W . . . . X B W . |
$$ | . . . . . B . . W B . |
$$ | p . . . . B . . . W p |
$$ | . . W . . B . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . W . . |
$$ | . . m W . B . W m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]


This move would make sense if my hidden move were at J6, so perhaps white will capture?

In any case, I somehow missed this response - it is quite bad for me because the corner is unsecure if I just atari due to minus point aji. The game would be quite hopeless for me if white secures left side now.
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Re: Batoo-kovitch #4: Dusk Eagle vs illluck

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We need to remember to keep track of the score after every move :P. Also, are we both just using stones with circles on them because we just thought that the other person is doing it that way?

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[go]$$Bcm1 Score - B:29, W:21
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . m O . . . . m . . |
$$ | . . W . . . . B B W . |
$$ | . . . . . B . . W B . |
$$ | p . . . . B . . . W p |
$$ | . . W . . B . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . W . . |
$$ | . . m W . B . W m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]

Was that sequence by him a bluff? If so, I imagine his actual hidden move was a threat to cut my bottom-left keima, but if he didn't play there I don't want to waste a move reinforcing there. I'll solidify this top-left and make it hard for him to get enough points.
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Re: Batoo-kovitch #4: Dusk Eagle vs illluck

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[go]$$Bcm1 Score - B:30, W:21
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . m W . . . . m . . |
$$ | . . W . . . . B B W . |
$$ | . . . . . B . . W B . |
$$ | p . . . . B . . . W p |
$$ | . . W . . B . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . W . . |
$$ | . . m W . B . W m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]


Hehe, yeah, I was just going to fix the score this turn - I forgot after the hidden move.

I think I should be able to catch a base stone - I would still be behind, but feels playable if that happens.
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Re: Batoo-kovitch #4: Dusk Eagle vs illluck

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[go]$$Bcm1 Score - B:30, W:22
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . m W . . . . m . . |
$$ | . . W . . . . B B W . |
$$ | . . . . . B . . W B . |
$$ | p . . . . B . . . W p |
$$ | . . W . . B . . . . . |
$$ | . . B O . . . . W . . |
$$ | . . m W . B . W m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]

Surely your hidden move isn't here.
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Re: Batoo-kovitch #4: Dusk Eagle vs illluck

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Surprise!

Actually, you are right, my hidden move is not there XD

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[go]$$Bcm1 Score - B:30, W:22
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . m W . . . . m X . |
$$ | . . W . . . . B B W . |
$$ | . . . . . B . . W B . |
$$ | p . . . . B . . . W p |
$$ | . . W . . B . . . . . |
$$ | . . B W . . . . W . . |
$$ | . . m W . B . W m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]


I suddenly realize I have no way to prevent white from playing at my hidden move if I try to play on the left. I'll leave it for now in case he tries to patch up left in a weird way (probably not going to, though). I expect capture here, then I'll go back and play C7. At that point white will know what my hidden move is, but I don't think I have much choice.

I think I'm pretty close to hopelessly behind - especially since white still has his hidden move, but I'll play on for a bit.
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Re: Batoo-kovitch #4: Dusk Eagle vs illluck

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Sneaky. Well, good thing I played there to make sure.

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[go]$$Bcm1 Score - B:30 (-1 for capture), W:23
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . m W . . . . m B . |
$$ | . . W . . . . B B W . |
$$ | . . . . . B . . W . O |
$$ | p . . . . B . . . W p |
$$ | . . W . . B . . . . . |
$$ | . . B W . . . . W . . |
$$ | . . m W . B . W m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]
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Re: Batoo-kovitch #4: Dusk Eagle vs illluck

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[go]$$Bcm1 Score - B:31 (-1 for capture), W:23
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . m W . . . . m B . |
$$ | . . W . . . . B B W . |
$$ | . . X . . B . . W . W |
$$ | p . . . . B . . . W p |
$$ | . . W . . B . . . . . |
$$ | . . B W . . . . W . . |
$$ | . . m W . B . W m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]
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Re: Batoo-kovitch #4: Dusk Eagle vs illluck

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[go]$$Bcm1 Score - B:31, W:24
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . m W . . . . m B . |
$$ | . . W . . . . B B W . |
$$ | . . B O . B . . W . W |
$$ | p . . . . B . . . W p |
$$ | . . W . . B . . . . . |
$$ | . . B W . . . . W . . |
$$ | . . m W . B . W m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]
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Re: Batoo-kovitch #4: Dusk Eagle vs illluck

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[go]$$Bcm1 Score - B:32, W:24
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . m W . . . . m B . |
$$ | . . W . . . . B B W . |
$$ | . . B W . B . . W . W |
$$ | p . . . . B . . . W p |
$$ | . X W . . B . . . . . |
$$ | . . B W . . . . W . . |
$$ | . . m W . B . W m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]


White will probably discover my hidden move next, but I think after I separate I can get that plus point in sente later and also attack upper left. This means that on board it looks playable. The issue, of course, is that white still has the hidden move XD
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[go]$$Bcm1 Score - B:32, W:25
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . m W . . . . m B . |
$$ | . . W . . . . B B W . |
$$ | . . B W . B . . W . W |
$$ | p . O . . B . . . W p |
$$ | . B W . . B . . . . . |
$$ | . . B W . . . . W . . |
$$ | . . m W . B . W m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]
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Re: Batoo-kovitch #4: Dusk Eagle vs illluck

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You found my hidden move.

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[go]$$Bcm1 Score - B:33, W:24
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . m W . . . . m B . |
$$ | . . W . . . . B B W . |
$$ | . . B W . B . . W . W |
$$ | p . B . . B . . . W p |
$$ | . B W . . B . . . . . |
$$ | . . B W . . . . W . . |
$$ | . . m W . B . W m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm1 Score - B:33, W:25
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . m W . . . . m B . |
$$ | . . W . . . . B B W . |
$$ | . . B W . B . . W . W |
$$ | p . B . . B . . . W p |
$$ | . B W O . B . . . . . |
$$ | . . B W . . . . W . . |
$$ | . . m W . B . W m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]
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Re: Batoo-kovitch #4: Dusk Eagle vs illluck

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[go]$$Bcm1 Score - B:34, W:25
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . m W . . . . m B . |
$$ | . . W . . . . B B W . |
$$ | . . B W . B . . W . W |
$$ | p . B X . B . . . W p |
$$ | . B W W . B . . . . . |
$$ | . . B W . . . . W . . |
$$ | . . m W . B . W m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]


I have to separate white if I want to get to play around E10 in sente.
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