Batoo-kovitch #4: Dusk Eagle vs illluck

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Re: Batoo-kovitch #4: Dusk Eagle vs illluck

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[go]$$Bcm1 Score - B:34, W:26
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . m W . . . . m B . |
$$ | . . W . . . . B B W . |
$$ | . . B W . B . . W . W |
$$ | p . B B . B . . . W p |
$$ | . B W W . B . . . . . |
$$ | . O B W . . . . W . . |
$$ | . . m W . B . W m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]

Looks like I'll be forced to take a minus point:
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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . m W . . . . m B . |
$$ | . . W . . . . B B W . |
$$ | . . B W . B . . W . W |
$$ | p 4 B X . B . . . W p |
$$ | . B W W . B . . . . . |
$$ | 3 1 B W . . . . W . . |
$$ | . 2 5 W . B . W m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]

This also could hurt my top side, but fortunately I still have my hidden move, which should help me live if need be.
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Re: Batoo-kovitch #4: Dusk Eagle vs illluck

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[go]$$Bcm1 Score - B:41, W:26
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . m W . . . . m B . |
$$ | . . W . . . . B B W . |
$$ | . . B W . B . . W . W |
$$ | X . B B . B . . . W p |
$$ | . B W W . B . . . . . |
$$ | . W B W . . . . W . . |
$$ | . . m W . B . W m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]

I considered playing around top left first, but this seems so big (especially because I can later force white to play on the minus point).
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Re: Batoo-kovitch #4: Dusk Eagle vs illluck

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Shouldn't your score be 40? (34 base +5 for the plus zone and +1 for the stone on the board)

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[go]$$Bcm1 Score - B:40, W:27
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . m W . . . . m B . |
$$ | . . W . . . . B B W . |
$$ | . . B W . B . . W . W |
$$ | B . B B . B . . . W p |
$$ | . B W W . B . . . . . |
$$ | . W B W . . . . W . . |
$$ | . O m W . B . W m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]

That move is a bit surprising to me. Now, he can peep as below and eventually force me to fill the negative space, but my descent at :w2: may at least be profitable in exchange.
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[go]$$Bcm1 Score - B:41, W:26
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . m W . . . . m B . |
$$ | . . W . . . . B B W . |
$$ | . . B W . B . . W . W |
$$ | B . B B . B . . . W p |
$$ | . B W W . B . . . . . |
$$ | . W B W . . . . W . . |
$$ | . W 4 W . B . W m . . |
$$ | . 3 1 2 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]
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Re: Batoo-kovitch #4: Dusk Eagle vs illluck

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Yes :oops: Math is too hard XD

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[go]$$Bcm1 Score - B:41, W:27
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . m W . . . . m B . |
$$ | . . W . . . . B B W . |
$$ | . . B W . B . . W . W |
$$ | B . B B . B . . . W p |
$$ | . B W W . B . . . . . |
$$ | . W B W . . . . W . . |
$$ | . W m W . B . W m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]


Game looking less hopeless, but I think I still need to either surround top right comfortably + get a plus point so that the remaining two becomes miai-ish or force a play on at least one of the minus points on the left side to stand a chance.
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Re: Batoo-kovitch #4: Dusk Eagle vs illluck

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[go]$$Bcm1 Score - B:41, W:28
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O B . . . . . . |
$$ | . . m W . . . . m B . |
$$ | . . W . . . . B B W . |
$$ | . . B W . B . . W . W |
$$ | B . B B . B . . . W p |
$$ | . B W W . B . . . . . |
$$ | . W B W . . . . W . . |
$$ | . W m W . B . W m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]

I feel slightly in trouble, but I think I'll be okay.
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Re: Batoo-kovitch #4: Dusk Eagle vs illluck

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[go]$$Bcm1 Score - B:47, W:28
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ | . . . W B . . . . . . |
$$ | . . m W . . . . m B . |
$$ | . . W . . . . B B W . |
$$ | . . B W . B . . W . W |
$$ | B . B B . B . . . W p |
$$ | . B W W . B . . . . . |
$$ | . W B W . . . . W . . |
$$ | . W m W . B . W m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]


A hidden move is looking more and more dangerous for me, but I don't think I have time to play solid.
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Re: Batoo-kovitch #4: Dusk Eagle vs illluck

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Time for my hidden move.

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[go]$$Bcm1 Score - B:47, W:28
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ | . . . W B . . . . . . |
$$ | . . m W . . . . m B . |
$$ | . . W . . . . B B W . |
$$ | . . B W . B . . W . W |
$$ | B . B B . B . . . W p |
$$ | . B W W . B . . . . . |
$$ | . W B W . . . . W . . |
$$ | . W m W . B . W m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]

Right now, I imagine he'll anticipate me placing my hidden move at either 'a' or 'b':

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[go]$$Bcm1 Score - B:47, W:28
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ | . . . W B . . . . . . |
$$ | . . m W . . . . m B . |
$$ | . . W . . . . B B W . |
$$ | . a B W . B . . W . W |
$$ | B . B B . B . . . W p |
$$ | . B W W . B . . . . . |
$$ | . W B W . . b . W . . |
$$ | . W m W . B . W m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]

I imagine he'll try to defend one, and if he were to guess correctly my hidden move would not have a lot of profit (he could also use his scan). So instead, I'm going to place my stone here:
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ | . . . W B . . . . . . |
$$ | . . m W . . . . m B . |
$$ | . . W . . . Q B B W . |
$$ | . . B W . B . . W . W |
$$ | B . B B . B . . . W p |
$$ | . B W W . B . . . . . |
$$ | . W B W . . . . W . . |
$$ | . W m W . B . W m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]

I don't think that he will anticipate this spot, and so I will likely be able to separate his groups. He may even waste a move defending against a threat I didn't make, which would be ideal.

I didn't choose the similar spot below because it's easier to play a forcing move and spot the hidden move before I get to use it:

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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ | . . . W B . . . . . . |
$$ | . . m W . . . . m B . |
$$ | . . W . . . . B B W . |
$$ | . . B W . B . Q W . W |
$$ | B . B B . B . . . W p |
$$ | . B W W . B . . . . . |
$$ | . W B W . . . . W . . |
$$ | . W m W . B . W m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]
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Re: Batoo-kovitch #4: Dusk Eagle vs illluck

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[go]$$Bcm1 Score - B:48, W:28
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ | . . . W B . . . . . . |
$$ | . . m W . . . . m B . |
$$ | . . W . . . . B B W . |
$$ | . X B W . B . . W . W |
$$ | B . B B . B . . . W p |
$$ | . B W W . B . . . . . |
$$ | . W B W . . . . W . . |
$$ | . W m W . B . W m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . B . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]


This seems to avert immediate disaster on the left side. Of course, white might have played something that would cut at either E6 or F4, but then I think top left corner is more urgent. My guess as to the hidden move is that it's something that tries to capture C6, and this move saves the stones regardless. I think white probably played a cut around E6, but I don't want to play that and then find out that white connected underneath. This way if white did play E6 white will still need a move to connect after I live locally.

It is also possible that white played somewhere else entirely, but then my group will be in no danger. What I'm a bit afraid of, though, is that if white responds at B8 I can't risk getting cut and will have to connect at E6, leaving white sente (because my previous move at the plus point is not sente to kill the corner as far as I can see). I will probably try to scan next move if I can get a better guess from the information white reveals from his response.
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Re: Batoo-kovitch #4: Dusk Eagle vs illluck

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Small-board games with you always end up so messy :P.

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[go]$$Bcm1 Score - B:48, W:29
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ | . . . W B . . . . . . |
$$ | . . m W . . . . m B . |
$$ | . . W . . . . B B W . |
$$ | . X B W . B . O W . W |
$$ | B . B B . B . . . W p |
$$ | . B W W . B . . . . . |
$$ | . W B W . . . . W . . |
$$ | . W m W . B . W m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . B . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]
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Hehe, you don't have to praise me so much :p

I suspect I might discover your hidden move.

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[go]$$Bcm1 Score - B:49, W:29
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ | . . . W B . . . . . . |
$$ | . . m W . . . . m B . |
$$ | . . W . . . X B B W . |
$$ | . X B W . B . W W . W |
$$ | B . B B . B . . . W p |
$$ | . B W W . B . . . . . |
$$ | . W B W . . . . W . . |
$$ | . W m W . B . W m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . B . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]
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Yep.

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[go]$$Bcm1 Score - B:49, W:30
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ | . . . W B . . . . . . |
$$ | . . m W . . . . m B . |
$$ | . . W . . . W B B W . |
$$ | . X B W . B . W W . W |
$$ | B . B B . B . . . W p |
$$ | . B W W . B . . . . . |
$$ | . W B W . . . . W . . |
$$ | . W m W . B . W m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . B . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]
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Man, that was tricky XD

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[go]$$Bcm1 Score - B:49, W:30
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ | . . . W B . . X . . . |
$$ | . . m W . . . . m B . |
$$ | . . W . . . W B B W . |
$$ | . X B W . B . W W . W |
$$ | B . B B . B . . . W p |
$$ | . B W W . B . . . . . |
$$ | . W B W . . . . W . . |
$$ | . W m W . B . W m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . B . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]


Suddenly the game looks very hard again, but at least I don't have to worry about the hidden moves. I think I can probably still live, but the minus point might make it painful. I also wonder if it would be worth it to give up the corner and force white to take minus point and allow me to get the plus point, but I don't have any particular sequences planned as there are quite a few different attacks on my upper right group.
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[go]$$Bcm1 Score - B:49, W:31
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ | . . . W B . . X . . . |
$$ | . . m W . . . O m B . |
$$ | . . W . . . W B B W . |
$$ | . X B W . B . W W . W |
$$ | B . B B . B . . . W p |
$$ | . B W W . B . . . . . |
$$ | . W B W . . . . W . . |
$$ | . W m W . B . W m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . B . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]

Let's force him to lose 5 points.
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[go]$$Bcm1 Score - B:45, W:31
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ | . . . W B . . B . . . |
$$ | . . m W . . . W X B . |
$$ | . . W . . . W B B W . |
$$ | . X B W . B . W W . W |
$$ | B . B B . B . . . W p |
$$ | . B W W . B . . . . . |
$$ | . W B W . . . . W . . |
$$ | . W m W . B . W m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . B . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]


Painful but necessary - I can't give up the corner. At least I think I live due to G7 cut.
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[go]$$Bcm1 Score - B:45, W:32
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ | . . . W B . . B . . . |
$$ | . . m W . . O W B B . |
$$ | . . W . . . W B B W . |
$$ | . X B W . B . W W . W |
$$ | B . B B . B . . . W p |
$$ | . B W W . B . . . . . |
$$ | . W B W . . . . W . . |
$$ | . W m W . B . W m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . B . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]
We don't know who we are; we don't know where we are.
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We're nameless things with no memory; no knowledge of what went before,
No understanding of what is now, no knowledge of what will be.
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