135. daniel_the_smith (2d) vs Fuego (bot)

daniel_the_smith · Post by **daniel_the_smith** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 7:02 pm

I'm so sorry, I'm a bad person.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm61 No Prisoners $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . X . . O X . . X O . . . | $$ | . . . X . . O X . O . X . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . b O O X X . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X O X O O . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . a O X . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . 0 . O . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . . . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . O . X O O . | $$ | . X O O X . . . . X . . . . . X O X . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Trigger: if a, then b.

I wanted to connect, but I think that way I end up with three almost dead groups. This way the middle group looks decent and black will eventually have to connect to something. I don't feel real good about this game right now, I say I have only a 35% or so chance of winning it.

emeraldemon · Post by **emeraldemon** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 11:08 am

Don't be silly, we're not in any hurry. in my DGS games I often leave a game to sit for a while if I'm not sure how to proceed.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm71 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . X . . O X . . X O . . . | $$ | . . . X . . O X . O . X . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . 2 O O X X . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . X O O . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . 1 O X . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . 3 O . O . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . . . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . O . X O O . | $$ | . X O O X . . . . X . . . . . X O X . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Value: 52.4%

Up 2.4% from last move, a pretty big jump. When we review this game, we should definitely come back to here, I think if white had connected he had a decent chance to kill the black group, which would have been huge.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm73 Sequence $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 5 0 . O . X . . O X . . X O . . . | $$ | . 7 4 X . . O X . O . X . . . O . . . | $$ | . . 8 O O O X X . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . X O O . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O X . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . 1 O . O . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . 3 2 . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . , . 9 6 . . . . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . O . X O O . | $$ | . X O O X . . . . X . . . . . X O X . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

The order is a bit muddled, but it seems black wants to push along here in sente, then switch to the left corner. Black spent 93% of playouts here, but for :b75:

it was split 70%-23% between pushing again and playing C16:

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We'll see how it decides next move.

daniel_the_smith · Post by **daniel_the_smith** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 1:28 pm

OK, well, that one is an easy decision!

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emeraldemon · Post by **emeraldemon** » Tue Oct 25, 2011 9:33 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm71 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . X . . O X . . X O . . . | $$ | . . . X . . O X . O . X . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O O O X X . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . X O O . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O X . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O . O . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . 5 O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . . . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . O . X O O . | $$ | . X O O X . . . . X . . . . . X O X . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Value: 52.5%

Same move as predicted last sequence, but it was close: 63% of playouts at G11, 33% at C16.

Sequence:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm75 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 4 5 . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . X . . O X . . X O . . . | $$ | . . 3 X . . O X . O . X . . . O . . . | $$ | . 9 6 O O O X X . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . 0 . . . X . X O O . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O X . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O . O . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . 1 O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . , . . 7 8 . . . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . O . X O O . | $$ | . X O O X . . . . X . . . . . X O X . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I like black's position here, it seems that white still has a weak group, possibly two if black can live in the corner. One concern: black doesn't want to chase white into the hard-won moyo on the lower right. On the plus side for white, there's the potential to take all four corners this game, easily 50 points.

daniel_the_smith · Post by **daniel_the_smith** » Wed Oct 26, 2011 12:38 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm71 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . X . . O X . . X O . . . | $$ | . . . X . . O X . O . X . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O O O X X . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . X O O . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O X . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O . O . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , 6 . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . O . X O O . | $$ | . X O O X . . . . X . . . . . X O X . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Another really tough choice. I really want to play another move in the corner, but I don't want black to solidify his center in sente, either.

emeraldemon · Post by **emeraldemon** » Thu Oct 27, 2011 6:48 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm71 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . X . . O X . . X O . . . | $$ | . . 7 X . . O X . O . X . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O O O X X . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . X O O . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O X . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O . O . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , O . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . O . X O O . | $$ | . X O O X . . . . X . . . . . X O X . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Value: 53.0%

I think this is the most optimistic Fuego has been about the game so far.

Sequence:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm77 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . X . . O X . . X O . . . | $$ | . . 1 X . . O X . O . X . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O O O X X . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . X O O . X . . X 4 . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O X . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O . O . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X O . . 6 0 . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . , . 3 2 8 . , O 5 . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . O . X O O . | $$ | . X O O X . . . . X . . . . . X O X . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

daniel_the_smith · Post by **daniel_the_smith** » Tue Nov 01, 2011 8:22 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm71 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . X . . O X . . X O . . . | $$ | . . X X . . O X . O . X . . . O . . . | $$ | . . 8 O O O X X . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . X O O . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O X . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O . O . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , O . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . O . X O O . | $$ | . X O O X . . . . X . . . . . X O X . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Well, let's hope I can get enough forcing moves to live here. Or maybe black will mess up and die.

emeraldemon · Post by **emeraldemon** » Fri Nov 04, 2011 1:26 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm71 Prisoners: 1 b $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 9 . . . O . X . . O X . . X O . . . | $$ | . . X X . . O X . O . X . . . O . . . | $$ | . . O O O O X X . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . X O O . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O X . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O . O . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , O . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . O . X O O . | $$ | . X O O X . . . . X . . . . . X O X . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Value: 51.7% , down 1.3% from last move.

Expected Sequence:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm79 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 1 . . . O . X . . O X . . X O . . . | $$ | . . X X . . O X . O . X . . . O . . . | $$ | . 8 O O O O X X . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . X O O . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . 0 . . . X O X . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O . O . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . , 7 3 2 4 . , O 5 . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . O . X O O . | $$ | . X O O X . . . . X . . . . . X O X . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I wouldn't be surprised if white plays b15 right away. Does D18 make a living shape?

prokofiev · Post by **prokofiev** » Fri Nov 04, 2011 8:38 pm

emeraldemon wrote:Value: 51.7% , down 1.3% from last move.

Expected Sequence:
$$Bcm79 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 . . . O . X . . O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . O . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . 8 O O O O X X . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X O O . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . 0 . . . X O X . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . O . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , 7 3 2 4 . , O 5 . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . X O O X . . . . X . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------

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[go]$$Bcm79 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 1 . . . O . X . . O X . . X O . . . | $$ | . . X X . . O X . O . X . . . O . . . | $$ | . 8 O O O O X X . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . X O O . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . 0 . . . X O X . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O . O . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . , 7 3 2 4 . , O 5 . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . O . X O O . | $$ | . X O O X . . . . X . . . . . X O X . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I wouldn't be surprised if white plays b15 right away. Does D18 make a living shape?

I read it as alive, with C18 and B19 miai in interesting lines?

daniel_the_smith · Post by **daniel_the_smith** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:31 pm

I haven't forgotten about this, I just haven't been able to concentrate long enough to read something reasonable out...

emeraldemon · Post by **emeraldemon** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 6:43 pm

k43r · Post by **k43r** » Tue Dec 06, 2011 4:02 pm

I just wanted to say that it's very interesting game, and I've subscribe to see future moves. keep going guys!

dwest · Post by **dwest** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 12:51 pm

Any chance of this game resuming? I was enjoying the whole man vs. machine aspect of the game

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135. daniel_the_smith (2d) vs Fuego (bot)

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